Giles Corey wrote:
Harambe wrote:
My burn was much better
Only 10,000 Americans without comorbidities have died from Covid-19. Doesn't sizzle like the claim 100,000 Americans have died from the virus, does it. Not enough fear.
so people with diabetes aren't Americans?
Giles Corey wrote:
Let's have a count of the covid deaths of people who tested positive for the virus and had no other comorbidities.
We's probably be down to less than 10,000 from what I can gathers
Do we do that with heart disease or alzheimer's or cancer or any other condition? People die of heart attacks that also have diabetes, or cancer, or are obese. In fact, over a certain age almost everyone has multiple comorbidities.
About 3 years ago my father broke his hip. He also had heart disease and when he was in the hospital they discovered a tumor. 3 months later he died after a massive organ shutdown. The cause of death listed on his death certificate: fractured hip.
If we eliminate all of the covid deaths in NY, for example, of patients with any comorbidities then what will account for the sudden spike in overall deaths? A dramatic increase in cardiac arrhythmia, or acute respiratory distress syndrome over a 6 week period? What would be the explanation for that?
For South Korea's Method I think in US there would too many people who will oppose to allow the government to trace their location, which makes it less effective option.
Only realistic method for containment in US was to warn the Public as early as possible when they knew it could be a pandemic, and enforce social distancing regulation and wearing mask in public.
If this could have been done before the spread, probably we didn't need to lock down as long and we would have far less deaths.
Instead the some idiot called COVID a hoax and denounced it as "just a flu", which delayed the reaction time which could have saved thousands.
Giles Corey wrote:
GG-man wrote:
Care to post your methodology for reaching the 10K number?
100k minus 100k times % with comorbidities.
Think back to 4th grade math.
% with comorbidities you ask?
Pretty important stat which one would think should be easy to find.
But not so. Like so much else about this pandemic, important, simple stats are not easy to come by.
Here is what I did find.
In New York state, just over 86% of reported COVID-19 deaths involved at least one comorbidity, according to the state’s department of health.
Nearly All Patients Hospitalized With Covid-19 Had Chronic Health Issues, Study Finds
Only 6 percent of patients at one New York area health system had no chronic conditions. Hypertension, obesity and diabetes were common.
Wikipedia cites the 86% figure noted above.
Taking the average of the 86% and 94% (100% - 6%) gives 90%.
Hence, if 100k have died, only 10k of those had no comorbidities.
QED
With your logic if person who is obese dies from cancer, then what is the cause of death? For being obese?
Similarly if diabetic person dies from respiratory failure caused by Coronavirus, he died from being diabetic right?
Seriously you should go back to elementary school education than roaming around this website making stupid claims.
Shannegen wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
S, Korea had their first positive case reported one day after the US had its first positive. A month later, S. Korea had completed 300,000 tests and the US had just 1,000. S, Korea was able to effectively control the virus by testing, tracing and isolating positives. They also implemented localized lockdowns when there were significant outbreaks and everyone wore masks in public. The US approach has been to basically surrender to the virus and just make sure that the health system doesn't collapse. The lockdowns on the east coast have made a big difference. But for much of the country, the lockdowns just kept the virus from running away. Very few states have the virus under control so that it can be contained with testing, tracing and isolation. The US has just refused to do the hard work to control the virus. To put it into perspective, Western Europe had many similar failures in originally addressing the virus. But they eventually got their act together. Yesterday, the US had over 20,000 new cases. Western Europe (excluding UK) had about 2,400. The US has endured the same economic pain and death as Western Europe but due to our inept response, we have nothing to show for it.
The only hope in the US is for a strong Federal response to try to reign in further growth in outbreaks. There needs to be periodic testing and OSHA/CDC guidance to prevent spread in high risk situations. Meat packing plants, prisons, nursing homes and retail operations need to operate on the best possible practices regardless of cost.
Another big mistake in the US is allowing positives to quarantine at home. This has allowed the virus to quickly spread to family members. Empty hotels and dorms across the country need to be requisitioned to allow people to quarantine away from family. Even on a voluntary basis, this would make a big difference.
Everyone needs to wear masks. It works. Japan was very diligent at testing and tracing and did not find a single incident of infection on public transportation. That is because everyone wears masks and no one talks on the subway in Japan.
There needs to be a binding Federal standard for lockdowns and reopening. Some states are doing a good job, most are not. That is why the US still has 20k new cases in a day after many parts of the country have been in lockdown for weeks.
Unfortunately, I do not see any big changes coming soon. We will probably stay right around where we are right now in terms of infection rates and deaths with some parts of the country improving and others getting worse. The only way this changes is if the Trump administration does a 180 or gets voted out and Biden puts some adults in charge.
Best. Post. Here.
I agree with everything you said. And I’m glad you listed the quarantine-at-home loophole. Too often, the virus ravages a family who’s had someone “quarantining”.
I’ve been sick for over 2 weeks, and I’m still getting over the virus myself. (I work in a COVID Hospital-hub, and have only taken care of COVID patients the last 2 months. It was only a matter of time before I made a mistake with my PPE and got infected). Luckily, our healthcare system booked out a bunch of hotel rooms for healthcare providers who got sick, and I was able to quarantine in a hotel for a week (until I got too sick and had to be hospitalized). But none of my family got it. It’s too bad that of the 1.5 million cases we’ve had, most people are not as lucky as I am to have an employer who offers that option.
Amen. We have a sociopath for a president who only cares about his poll numbers and now a government filled full of acolytes who only do what pleases the sociopath. All those dead died because of Trump.
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