What’s the hottest and most humid place with a good XC team?

US: any team out of Florida

World: Australia probably your best bet, not too many good teams from Jakarta or Port Moresby

Also, UT El Paso (UTEP) used to dominate XC when there were unlimited imports allowed.

Augusta Univeristy- solid and upcoming D2 program in GA

Belen Jesuit in Miami has made it to NXN more than once and is consistently a top quality if not the best high school team in Florida on the Boys side.

A bit different from Gulf Coast heat and humidity, but it can be pretty awful in Arkansas through September. I recall being in Little Rock in HS in the summer and it was 105-108 for a couple of days. Razorbacks are pretty good at XC.

crackrock wrote:

shade doesn't matter when it's 90 with a dewpoint of 65 by 8 am.

A dew point of 65 would be somewhat uncomfortable, but 80 would be terrible.

Philippines

memelord 2000 wrote:

NAU is in Arizona, the hottest state in the US.

This is one of the most clueless posts I have read since Al Gore started the Internet.

Oklahoma State University

The answer is Arkansas. Thread should've ended there.

titles on titles wrote:

The answer is Arkansas. Thread should've ended there.

Fayetteville isn’t very bad compared to Louisiana and Florida

I know Furman practices at 6 in the morning during xc season due to the humidity.

HMFM wrote:

Oklahoma State University

This is probably true,

We've done many humidity threads on letsrun over the years. In one of them Brian Erb correctly surmised he thought Omaha Nebraska was one of the most humid places he's been in. He was correct. I did a little reasearch to compare Atlanta's 75+ dew point days to Omaha. Here are the results:

ATLANTA year, # of 75+ DP days (hi DP)

2010 11 times (77)

2009 2 (76)

2008 1 (75)

2007 2 (78)

2006 0 (74)

2005 8 (77)

2004 0 (74)

2003 10 (80)

2002 1 (75)

2001 8 (75)

2000 2 (75)

45 out 1012 days (37 out of those 45 in 4 years) 4.0% 1 out of 25.

OMAHA

2010 26 times (81)

2009 7 (79)

2008 7 (77)

2007 15 (79)

2006 10 (80)

2005 4 (78)

2004 10 (79)

2003 10 (78)

2002 7 (79)

2001 22 (82)

2000 22 (79)

140 out of 1012 days with 75+ dew points 13.8% 1 out of 7 days

Everything you need to know about heat, humidity and dew points in one place.

The Dew Point Temperature - A Better Approach

The Concept

Humidity is a complicated concept. Humidity refers to evaporated water substance in the air, i.e. water vapor. For years relative humidity has been what we use to inform the TV audience, but it has many pit falls and to tell you the truth almost no one understands it, including many meteorologists.

Think Energy

When thinking of humidity you always have to think in terms of energy. Of course this is expressed as temperature. There is only so much energy to go around and only a certain part of the thermal energy can go to do the work of evaporation. The rest goes to the other molecules in the air.

Relative humidity expresses how much of the available energy has been used. A relative humidity of 50% means half the energy has been used to evaporate water from the ground, streams, lakes anywhere else it is and 50% is still available to do more evaporation.

Relative to What?

On a summer morning the temperature may be 75 degrees and the relative humidity 90%, a very sticky morning indeed. Without changing the amount of water vapor in the air if the temperature hits 92 degrees in the afternoon the relative humidity is 52%. Relative humidity is RELATIVE TO THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY AVAILABLE Because the amount of energy increased as the sun warmed the atmosphere the percentage of the energy used decreased, i.e. the relative humidity, all the while there was no change in the amount of vapor in the air.

So when you hear someone say its feels worse than 52% relative humidity today, they do not understand the concept of RELATIVE HUMIDITY. Ninety-two degrees and 52% is a very humid afternoon. Because the concept is confusing many meteorologists are trying to get use dew point temperature.

The Dew Point Temperature

Dew point temperature is a measure of humidity. If you take a parcel of air, and cool it, eventually you will remove enough energy to begin to get water vapor to condense. Remember the water vapor was originally liquid water and to get it to evaporate you had to add energy. As long as it has sufficient energy it will remain vapor, but as you cool it at some point condensation will occur. The temperature where condensation begins is the dew point temperature. In terms of relative humidity, as the parcel of air is cooled, the relative humidity increases, when the relative humidity reaches 100%, you are at the dew point temperature.

Dew Point vs. R.H.

Unlike relative humidity if dew point increases, it is only because the amount of moisture increases. If relative changes it can be because of temperature change or moisture change, two variables leads to too many possibilities, with dew point it is strictly moisture you are tracking.

Dew point can never be higher than the temperature, at saturation, i.e. 100% relative humidity the temperature and dew point are the same.

So How Does Dew Point Feel?

On a typical summer day the following apply:

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• Dew Point(F)..........Perception

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• 75+....................Extremely uncomfortable

• 70-74...................Very humid, quite uncomfortable

• 65-69...................A bit uncomfortable for most people

• 60-64...................Ok for most, but everyone begins to feel the humidity

• 55-59...................Comfortable

• 50-54...................Very comfortable

• 49...................Feels like the west, very pleasant, a bit dry to some

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Common Misconception

One last thing if you ever hear someone say it was 90 degrees and the humidity was 90%, that has never happened in Cincinnati, (and unless the greenhouse effect goes into overdrive never will). 90 deg/90% requires a dew point of 85.5 degrees. In Cincinnati the highest ever dew point was 81 deg. for just a few minutes.

In August 1995 we had four hours of 78,79,78,77 degree dew points, the highest persistent dew points I have seen in Cincinnati since working here as a meteorologist. For one hour I did see a dew point of 81, just after a thunderstorm.

World Record Dew Points

However veterans of the Persian Gulf War know what 90/90 feels like. The Persian Gulf and Red Sea both attain sea water temperatures in the mid 90's. That's plenty of energy, along with the 115 degree air temperatures, to evaporate water.

The dew point has been measured on the shore of Ethiopia, the area is now part of Eritrea, at 94 deg. F. The highest known dew point temperature in the world. The relative humidity with a temp of 115 and a dew point of 94 is 54% this doesn't tell you as much as the dew point when you consider the table above.

Highest Dew Points

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/record-dew-point-temperatures

Corn and humidity

http://www.weather.com/outlook/weather-news/news/articles/evapotranspiration-corn-belt-humidity_2011-07-13

https://www.google.com/search?q=cornfield+humidity&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Humidity in the South thread

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3985192&page=1

Paul Short Lehigh humidity

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5427811&page=1