Have any other nation’s citizens pushed back at stay-at-home orders more than Americans?

Stoppt Smith, i am with you 100%. And i suspect the majority of people are, too. We just don't have the patience you demonstrate, to your credit.

professional surfer wrote:

I wonder how the founding fathers would have dealt with covid

You mean, founding fathers like George Washington who cracked down Whisky Rebellion?

All we need is 30-40m or more people to die. Then Americans will take it seriously. At that point almost every American will have lost a spouse, child, mother, father, or sibling. And those who are out protesting are the most at risk. Computer simulations have shown up 65m deaths after 18 months without lockdowns. So it’s not crazy. It’s the same with gun control. Nobody wants to take away guns until your 6 year old gets killed at school. We forgot this thing is only a few months old. We had 100k deaths with lockdowns. Once we go back to normal expect deaths to increase exponentially the following 12 months.

appleswan wrote:

liberty wrote:

Lmao if you think America is a capitalist country you're retarded. We are corporatist, crony capitalism. And keep thinking the constitution is outdated, the intent was to limit reckless federal government to preserve freedom. Social and economic freedom is important to a prosperous society

That's the same kind of argument that when Communists make is derided as delusional - it's never been tried properly, the Soviets were state-capitalist, we'll do it differently, etc.

Prove me wrong. F*ck communism but it hasnt been tried in full either, 90% sure. The soviet union was a command control set in place by government. Pure capitalism and communism is either 0 government intervention or anarchy

seattle prattle wrote:

Stoppt Smith, i am with you 100%. And i suspect the majority of people are, too. We just don't have the patience you demonstrate, to your credit.

Suspect on what? Intuition? C’mon bro, I haven’t posted in years, but I will now just so you understand you have no clue on the ratios here.

And while it’s been years, let’s make it two posts to match my two cents. Statistics are ALWAYS skewed by the other ‘team,’ littered with bias. I’ll support what ensures the most freedom for individuals. That includes the freedom to leave the country and dwell somewhere with more strict “protections.” Everything is nuanced. This virus isn’t killing healthy people in my opinion. People have to die, one way or another. What’ll ya have? Deaths from poverty, or deaths from Covid? I’ll keep my choices.

realistsometimes wrote:

seattle prattle wrote:

Stoppt Smith, i am with you 100%. And i suspect the majority of people are, too. We just don't have the patience you demonstrate, to your credit.

Suspect on what? Intuition? C’mon bro, I haven’t posted in years, but I will now just so you understand you have no clue on the ratios here.

Sorry, but your views are not supported by the following:

"Beth Redbird, a sociologist at Northwestern University, has been surveying 200 people a day since mid-March, and “70 to 75 percent of people support most social-distancing measures,” she says. “Those are really large numbers in a society where 52 percent is often viewed as huge support. We rarely see that outside of authoritarian polling. Americans are by and large reading information in a very similar way.”"

Link:

The open America posters are in large part being encourage by Trump, obviously, but also by organizations like Freedomworks, and bots that we don't know who is organizing.

Freedomworks coordinated anti-shutdown protests in may state, including my state, where I don't think there would have been a protest otherwise because the state had already announced an opening schedule at the time (one of the first, and one of places with single digit daily cases), and there was really nothing to complain about.

Carnegie Mellon University has found that bots are the biggest anti-shutdown voices on Twitter. There are no doubt real protesters, but most of the online anti-shutdown chatter is artificial, so protesters are are being manipulated by bots:

"To analyze bot activity around the pandemic, CMU researchers since January have collected more than 200 million tweets discussing coronavirus or COVID-19. Of the top 50 influential retweeters, 82% are bots, they found. Of the top 1,000 retweeters, 62% are bots.

Many factors of the online discussions about “reopening America” suggest that bot activity is orchestrated. One indicator is the large number of bots, many of which are accounts that were recently created. Accounts that are possibly humans with bot assistants generate 66% of the tweets. Accounts that are definitely bots generate 34% of the tweets."

https://www.cs.cmu.edu/news/nearly-half-twitter-accounts-discussing-%E2%80%98reopening-america%E2%80%99-may-be-bots

Stoppit Smith wrote:

57 new deaths in Georgia

91 people infected in a Missouri salon

The stories are coming through about many infected in a church, an exercise class in South Korea (a country who had minimized damage), etc.

Worldwide, like in the US, opening the country is showing the U effect on the curve.

Numbers were down because of orders and social distancing and masks, etc.

I'm not sure that you're aware of what's happening, Coach.

The exception isn't the rule. Worldwide, like in the US, opening the country is not showing the U effect. Look at Italy. Look at Germany. Look at China.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Numbers were dropping.

But....

91 people infected in a Missouri salon

Exposed, not infected. That number is up to 140, btw now that a 2nd stylist has tested positive. Will be interesting to see how many customers ultimately test positive since it's been stated that both stylists were wearing masks when serving customers.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Numbers were dropping.

But....

91 people infected in a Missouri salon

Um, no 91 were not infected. Cherry picking and misconstruing; if you have a case you wouldn’t need to stoop to this. This many people may have been exposed. I doubt there will be follow-up news. Likely zero were infected.

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

energeticlotuseater wrote:

I’m proud of all the push back & out right defiance Americans have been giving our government on the issue of the lockdown. It’s good to give a government notice that their population simply won’t submit to their orders. It’ll make them think twice if they try to do something like this again.

Yeah, look at all the brave people fighting for their freedom in Ozarks!

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-missouri-ozarks-memorial-day-no-social-distancing-20200524-3jhdlqxeffhvvkbpfeyuumirmm-story.html?fbclid=IwAR02K7Gj7kJifCQ_DAz-hPLyNPESCojQ4H-Gd35bjfLHPkoQMccMiwAfMN8

Yes, it's quite a stretch to conflate selfishness with freedom loving patriotism.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Sure. And when are the rebels going to grow up and learn to listen to established rules at some point?

Challenging the man must seem fun. But at some point, rules are good.

The rebels that created this nation had a cause.

Many modern day rebels don't have a true honorable cause and insist on causing hell.

It's immature.

I didn't come over on the Mayflower either wrote:

Our country was founded on rebels and it sets us apart. How are rebels fairing in China, Russia, Cuba, Vietnam to name a few?

And that cause was to keep authoritarians just like you at bay. We'll go out when we want, where we want.

liberty wrote:

appleswan wrote:

That's the same kind of argument that when Communists make is derided as delusional - it's never been tried properly, the Soviets were state-capitalist, we'll do it differently, etc.

Prove me wrong. F*ck communism but it hasnt been tried in full either, 90% sure. The soviet union was a command control set in place by government. Pure capitalism and communism is either 0 government intervention or anarchy

Your probably not wrong. But you shouldn't need to split hairs over whether your ideology is pure enough to be considered 'capitalism'.

Andy the arrogant American wrote:

Looking at the US media outlets vs foreign media outlets I’ve seen it seems like Americans are pushing back more at stay-at-home orders than any other country I’ve read about. There seems to be constant protests, out right defiance and just an unwillingness of law enforcement to enforce the various lockdown orders.

Have any other countries witnessed their citizens being as defiant or, for lack of better word, naughty, as the Americans? It seems to me from what I’ve read most other nations’ citizens have been pretty compliant with the lockdown orders.

Haven’t read through the thread as I’m sure it’s devolved into a lot of takey takes.

The real reason is because a lot of areas would not hit hard and weren’t going to be hit they hard. Broad sweeping regulations in many state’s like they were New York City were unnecessary and the people in those areas saw through the charade.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

All we need is 30-40m or more people to die. Then Americans will take it seriously. At that point almost every American will have lost a spouse, child, mother, father, or sibling. And those who are out protesting are the most at risk. Computer simulations have shown up 65m deaths after 18 months without lockdowns. So it’s not crazy. It’s the same with gun control. Nobody wants to take away guns until your 6 year old gets killed at school. We forgot this thing is only a few months old. We had 100k deaths with lockdowns. Once we go back to normal expect deaths to increase exponentially the following 12 months.

You’re logic baffles me and sadly is the logic of the stay home forever cowards. 40 million didn’t and won’t die. You seriously come across as if you want that to happen because it gives you satisfaction to yell at people to stay home. It’s so bizarre and disgusting. Most people see through your little fear games

Your* logic.

Long day.

So if you'll go out when you want where you want and it's all about what you want, then why can't the governors do what they want (or moreso what they need) and give a stay at home order for those whom they want to see safe?

kudosmyass wrote:

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Sure. And when are the rebels going to grow up and learn to listen to established rules at some point?

Challenging the man must seem fun. But at some point, rules are good.

The rebels that created this nation had a cause.

Many modern day rebels don't have a true honorable cause and insist on causing hell.

It's immature.

And that cause was to keep authoritarians just like you at bay. We'll go out when we want, where we want.

And what are you prepared to tell people after this big man rhetoric and name calling if you end up with Covid-19 and it's something you can't conquer? Just wondering.