The official (and only) Ahmaud Arbery thread

For those that want a little more perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6mBZSQdGCE

Some great messages if you take the time to watch the whole video

under a bridge wrote:

Still posting old videos that don’t address new facts. Why didn’t you post this more recent video from the same guy?

https://youtu.be/jqzQh0pYeq8

If there is a new one, please post it. Like I have said numerous times, show me the facts that support your view on AA. I'm more than willing to listen to reason, and prefer that much more to name calling.

We know AA was trespassing.

We know a 911 call was made about AA trespassing.

We know AA had been seen in the home under construction in the past by surveillance video.

We know items had been reported stolen from the construction site in the past.

We know guns have been stolen from vehicles in the neighborhood in the past.

We know the neighborhood had a Facebook page with discussion about thefts in the area/neighborhood.

We know AA had stolen items in the past and I believe he also did on 2/23.

We know AA took off running from the home under construction, and did not stop when asked to do so by those attempting to detain him.

We know AA did not run any distance of importance off the road to hide or get away from those attempting to detain/make the Citizens Arrest.

We know AA made contact with "Roddie's" truck and supposedly attempted to open the door. We know GM was on a 911 call when AA approached him and his son while they were parked and waiting for him at their truck.

We know AA dropped and tossed metallic items that appear to be tools as he approached TM & GM in the final seconds of his life while they were waiting by their truck.

We know AA "engaged"/attacked/punched TM who was holding his shotgun gun and then AA took three shots from the 12 gauge shot gun during the struggle over the gun.

We know AA fell to the ground and died from the gun shots and TM supposedly stated a racial slur as he walked away from AA.

We know GM checked AA while lying on the ground for a weapon and did not find one.

We know the police arrived on scene minutes after the struggle for the gun.

The above facts are well known and come from videos and phone call recordings. PLEASE let me know which facts are missing and post a link to any missing facts.

Are you incapable of reading? The new video from one of your sources is literally in the post that you quoted, as I stated in plain English.

Ward Cleaver wrote:

For those that want a little more perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6mBZSQdGCE

Some great messages if you take the time to watch the whole video

Perspective of what? He says that white people like his music so there must not be any racism. Joe Louis had many white fans so there must have been no racism in the '30s and '40s. He was getting bleeped out so much I'm not sure what he was saying about BLM or why he ended the interview. He also dropped out of school at age 14 and has tattoos on his neck and face. It appears that he is stoned most of the time. What makes him an expert on anything besides rap music?

You seem to believe anything said by a black person about Arbery or racism to be true. Why can't you post a video of an educated person, black or white, that can provide well thought out opinions about black and white relationships.

The 3 accused will be convicted. Arbery's death resulted from a felony committed on several grounds - an aggravated assault, an unlawful citizens arrest and false imprisonment and deadly force used without justification. It is highly likely that federal charges relating to hate crimes will also be prosecuted, on the basis of evidence that Travis Michaels expressed extreme racial animosity to the accused and black people generally. The consequential issue is what will the sentences be. In the present climate, the court may well take the view that landmark sentences are required in order to show society's abhorrence to such crimes. Ward Cleaver will go home devastated.

Armstronglivs wrote:

The 3 accused will be convicted. Arbery's death resulted from a felony committed on several grounds - an aggravated assault, an unlawful citizens arrest and false imprisonment and deadly force used without justification. It is highly likely that federal charges relating to hate crimes will also be prosecuted, on the basis of evidence that Travis Michaels expressed extreme racial animosity to the accused and black people generally. The consequential issue is what will the sentences be. In the present climate, the court may well take the view that landmark sentences are required in order to show society's abhorrence to such crimes. Ward Cleaver will go home devastated.

The penalty for a conviction for felony murder is life in prison, so there would be nothing landmark about it were that to happen. I'm not an attorney, but life sentences seem extremely likely.

under a bridge wrote:

Are you incapable of reading? The new video from one of your sources is literally in the post that you quoted, as I stated in plain English.

My bad, I thought you were just complaining that I had posted a video that wasn't current enough for your liking. I have now watched it and got a good chuckle out of it, especially when he was ripping on "Roddie" - it will be an interesting court case.

Armstronglivs wrote:

The 3 accused will be convicted. Arbery's death resulted from a felony committed on several grounds - an aggravated assault, an unlawful citizens arrest and false imprisonment and deadly force used without justification. It is highly likely that federal charges relating to hate crimes will also be prosecuted, on the basis of evidence that Travis Michaels expressed extreme racial animosity to the accused and black people generally. The consequential issue is what will the sentences be. In the present climate, the court may well take the view that landmark sentences are required in order to show society's abhorrence to such crimes. Ward Cleaver will go home devastated.

For the sake our country I hope you are right and I hope that then would cause revisions and clarification of Citizen Arrest Laws and Stand Your Ground Laws nationwide, but that would make too much sense and the masses would never go for it.

Replies above in bold.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

The 3 accused will be convicted. Arbery's death resulted from a felony committed on several grounds - an aggravated assault, an unlawful citizens arrest and false imprisonment and deadly force used without justification. It is highly likely that federal charges relating to hate crimes will also be prosecuted, on the basis of evidence that Travis Michaels expressed extreme racial animosity to the accused and black people generally. The consequential issue is what will the sentences be. In the present climate, the court may well take the view that landmark sentences are required in order to show society's abhorrence to such crimes. Ward Cleaver will go home devastated.

The penalty for a conviction for felony murder is life in prison, so there would be nothing landmark about it were that to happen. I'm not an attorney, but life sentences seem extremely likely.

In Georgia, the penalty for a felony murder conviction is either life in prison with or without parole or the death penalty.

For the sake of your country we might even hope for an examination of the attitudes that lead to such killings and the perpetuation of systemic racism generally throughout American society - and wherever else it occurs. That is what the protests are about. You could begin with your own victim-blaming thinking.

I don't know much about Officer Tatum, but for sure, Candace Owens is going for the far right black person market. She's obviously either stupid or it's just shtick and if you read about her many people agree. You have yet to provide a video of someone knowledgeble about the sociology of race relations. The opinions of Owens and Tatum have no more value than yours.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Ward Cleaver wrote:

For the sake our country I hope you are right and I hope that then would cause revisions and clarification of Citizen Arrest Laws and Stand Your Ground Laws nationwide, but that would make too much sense and the masses would never go for it.

For the sake of your country we might even hope for an examination of the attitudes that lead to such killings and the perpetuation of systemic racism generally throughout American society - and wherever else it occurs. That is what the protests are about. You could begin with your own victim-blaming thinking.

What is your example of "systemic racism throughout American society?"

As I have stated numerous times, AA, or the "victim", as you call him, needs as much blame as the McMichaels and the fact that you can't admit that blows my mind.

LRC: "Hey Ward, why haven't you commented on the preliminary hearings?"

Ward: "Here are a bunch of old videos ranging from a month old to years old, none of which address what you asked me. But look, black people can be conservatives!"

LRC: "Wait, what? What does that have to do with the preliminary hearings?"

SDSU Aztec wrote:

I don't know much about Officer Tatum, but for sure, Candace Owens is going for the far right black person market. She's obviously either stupid or it's just shtick and if you read about her many people agree. You have yet to provide a video of someone knowledgeble about the sociology of race relations. The opinions of Owens and Tatum have no more value than yours.

See that's the problem with you and so many, if what is shared doesn't fit your view point the people speaking are stupid or it's just a shtick"??!!?

That's why providing facts to you doesn't do any good because you are unwilling to believe anything other than your viewpoint can possibly be correct.

conservative straw man tactic wrote:

LRC: "Hey Ward, why haven't you commented on the preliminary hearings?"

Ward: "Here are a bunch of old videos ranging from a month old to years old, none of which address what you asked me. But look, black people can be conservatives!"

LRC: "Wait, what? What does that have to do with the preliminary hearings?"

CSMT - You are not up to speed on this. I DID comment about the "preliminary hearings" when I got back to the boards. This is what I posted:

This is a pretty good take on my beliefs of the AA case and wish he would have spent more time explaining how easily AA could have and should have escaped. Yes, I have listened to the seven plus hours of this case on the "live" feed of the preliminary hearing on court tv and heard about AA hitting or getting hit by "Roddie's" truck during the chase - which just further solidifies my belief that AA wasn't mentally competent and should not have went back to "running away" on the paved roadway right up to TM & GM. The investigator even stated AA engaged TM, not the other way as many want to believe and had been wrongly reported. I also wish the person that did this video would have spent more time on the tools AA took from the construction site during his video analysis, but at least he mentioned it and you can also hear one of the tools hitting the ground. The investigator in this case, Mr. Dial, has done a poor job and knows less about this case than many of us on this thread. My prediction of what may happen based on the facts I have debated on this case has unfortunately already come true with the GF case and unfortunately I feel it will happen again unless the lawyers in this case completely blow it or MSM/LSM doesn't start reporting the facts and try and clam the masses when the verdict of this case is announced.

Ward Cleaver wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

For the sake of your country we might even hope for an examination of the attitudes that lead to such killings and the perpetuation of systemic racism generally throughout American society - and wherever else it occurs. That is what the protests are about. You could begin with your own victim-blaming thinking.

What is your example of "systemic racism throughout American society?"

As I have stated numerous times, AA, or the "victim", as you call him, needs as much blame as the McMichaels and the fact that you can't admit that blows my mind.

That says more about your mind. As for your ignorance of systemic racism, that only speaks of the bubble in which you live and your utter unawareness of what black people are saying about what they experience in their daily lives. One such is the Reverend Sharpton, who spoke of how it is time for "white America to take its knee off the neck of black Americans". He is but one of many. The meaning of the street protests has completely escaped you.

Ward Cleaver wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

For the sake of your country we might even hope for an examination of the attitudes that lead to such killings and the perpetuation of systemic racism generally throughout American society - and wherever else it occurs. That is what the protests are about. You could begin with your own victim-blaming thinking.

What is your example of "systemic racism throughout American society?"

As I have stated numerous times, AA, or the "victim", as you call him, needs as much blame as the McMichaels and the fact that you can't admit that blows my mind.

A armed confrontation based on a "gut" feeling is a felony, which places 100% of the blame on the McMichaels. You can analyze the video until the cows come home, but nothing will change that.

Travis saying "Fu*king N*gger" after shooting AA is sickening and you don't seem to grasp that in the South, with its long history of racism, it's appalling that people like Travis McMichael still exist.

Do me a favor and skip your bolded nonsense.

Ward Cleaver wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

For the sake of your country we might even hope for an examination of the attitudes that lead to such killings and the perpetuation of systemic racism generally throughout American society - and wherever else it occurs. That is what the protests are about. You could begin with your own victim-blaming thinking.

What is your example of "systemic racism throughout American society?"

As I have stated numerous times, AA, or the "victim", as you call him, needs as much blame as the McMichaels and the fact that you can't admit that blows my mind.

If Arbery "needs as much blame as the McMichaels" then that means he, too, committed a homicide. Are you really that stupid?