My Beef with being Vegetarian - I've gained almost 20 pounds since becoming a Vegetarian

Bullshit, you've got more chance of picking up bacteria from touching a multitude of things that other people have touched.

If you want to eat rare/medium rare/raw meat then eat the fúcking stuff, just make sure you take every precaution you can regarding provenance, etc and enjoy it if that's what tantalises your taste buds.

FWIW, I'm a Lacto-Ovo Vegetarian - not a (militant) Vegan. So, no crusade. Not starting or joining a cult. By all means continue eating meat if that's your preference. Slaughter your own livestock for all I care. I made a personal dietary choice based on ethics - but was prepared to revert if I thought it was harming me. Turns out, it isn't, at least based on extensive, comparative blood work.

Kenyan Judge and Jury. wrote:

Ernest wrote:

Happy to say after a year of haphazard vegetarianism, with no supplements whatsoever, all my blood recent blood test results were normal

Sorry, "normal" just doesn't cut it here on LR, you'll just have to try harder with your crusade.

Ernest wrote:

FWIW, I'm a Lacto-Ovo Vegetarian - not a (militant) Vegan.

So, no crusade. Not starting or joining a cult.

By all means continue eating meat if that's your preference.

Slaughter your own livestock for all I care.

I made a personal dietary choice based on ethics - but was prepared to revert if I thought it was harming me. Turns out, it isn't, at least based on extensive, comparative blood work.

Kenyan Judge and Jury. wrote:

Sorry, "normal" just doesn't cut it here on LR, you'll just have to try harder with your crusade.

You're harming others by spouting nonsense.

You keep referring to my diet or me as Vegan. I'm Lacto-Ovo Vegetarian. Animals don't die for my meal, but they may suffer. This is why LR is so great. Where else would you get a Doctor or Naturopathy ready to help? My brain may not as well since I stopped eating (cooked) meat. Could you please be more specific as to what nonsense I'm spouting - so I can stop? Maybe informative links so I can educate myself without taking up your time?

Libertarian Centrist wrote:

ou're harming others by spouting nonsense.

Ernest wrote:

You keep referring to my diet or me as Vegan. I'm Lacto-Ovo Vegetarian.

Animals don't die for my meal, but they may suffer.

This is why LR is so great. Where else would you get a Doctor or Naturopathy ready to help?

My brain may not as well since I stopped eating (cooked) meat.

Could you please be more specific as to what nonsense I'm spouting - so I can stop?

Maybe informative links so I can educate myself without taking up your time?

Libertarian Centrist wrote:

ou're harming others by spouting nonsense.

It's impossible to debate a vegan because they are so emotional (see above)

This man is not a real doctor, or a real Libertarian. Just ask me, a MD/PhD and chair of the Libertarian National Committee. "And what it....Aleppo?"

Actually, knowing you're an MD/PhD makes you less qualified for this discussion. MDs get ZERO education about nutrition and are taught to treat every ailment with drugs. As a naturopathic doctor (ND), I am taught to view the person as a whole and treat patients holistically. I use the biopsychosocial model, while you are stuck in the biomedical model. This is why President Trump trusts a DO over an MD.

MAGAKAG

Rhodium Nights wrote:

pointer outer wrote:

You will eventually have a B12 deficiency as a vegetarian. This study does not indicate causation, but the anecdotal evidence says that you are fat. Maybe it is a cause and effect relationship. Or maybe you just eat a lot of potato chips.

Easily corrected with a multivitamin....

Ah yes, being required to take synthetic vitamins is the sign of every good diet. Why eat at all when you can just take a multivitamin?

Like I can get past the whole "I want to just poke a hole in others' life philosophy so I can be smug about my own sh!thole life" thing, I've seen that before.

B12 is produced naturally, by cultivating bacteria. Just like raising other crops and harvesting them for their nutrients. Nothing weird about it.

You spelled moran wrong btw

Right. Seriously cannot tell if you are joking or not. You say...that animals WANT to be eaten? So then why is every single biological organism on this planet born with the motive to SURVIVE. So not such a good excuse...maybe instead just say you enjoy meat; no one is holding it against you. What kind of animal commits suicide because they've yet to feel "fulfilled" besides a human being? Just because animals are bred does not mean you've bred out their sensory abilities. So until they can grow tissue in a lab, eating meat is not ethical. Also, I agree that plant farming is not ethical either, but maybe you should look up some real stats on how much livestock are systematically killed for meat every year. That'll put it into perspective for you. Cheers.

ur a moron wrote:

Ah yes, being required to take synthetic vitamins is the sign of every good diet. Why eat at all when you can just take a multivitamin?

If I could survive on synthetic vitamins alone, I'd be all about that diet.

And Meat-eaters are not? It's just a lot of stigma, you see. Don't judge others based on stereotypes. By the way, I've been vegetarian since day one (yes, since I was born), vegan for a year so far, and I've never had any health problems :)

Well said. "Gordy" has this to add:https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cd/46/c8/cd46c81165bee3273c87c4b36bc402d8.png

hansen9952 wrote:

Right. Seriously cannot tell if you are joking or not. You say...that animals WANT to be eaten? So then why is every single biological organism on this planet born with the motive to SURVIVE. So not such a good excuse...maybe instead just say you enjoy meat; no one is holding it against you. What kind of animal commits suicide because they've yet to feel "fulfilled" besides a human being? Just because animals are bred does not mean you've bred out their sensory abilities. So until they can grow tissue in a lab, eating meat is not ethical. Also, I agree that plant farming is not ethical either, but maybe you should look up some real stats on how much livestock are systematically killed for meat every year. That'll put it into perspective for you. Cheers.

hansen9952 wrote:

And Meat-eaters are not? It's just a lot of stigma, you see. Don't judge others based on stereotypes. By the way, I've been vegetarian since day one (yes, since I was born), vegan for a year so far, and I've never had any health problems :)

Classic catch 22. Read my post above and go see your doctor immediately.

Let me guess: you're a democrat?

Libertarian Centrist wrote:

Actually, knowing you're an MD/PhD makes you less qualified for this discussion. MDs get ZERO education about nutrition and are taught to treat every ailment with drugs. As a naturopathic doctor (ND), I am taught to view the person as a whole and treat patients holistically. I use the biopsychosocial model, while you are stuck in the biomedical model. This is why President Trump trusts a DO over an MD.

MAGAKAG

This is not true - I'm an MD and we got some lectures on nutrition geared towards family medicine along with experience managing nutrition status in critically ill patients (I know, not normal people).

So, while our nutrition education is not the same as that of a dietician, it is definitely not ZERO as you confidently stated.

Davie wrote:

Libertarian Centrist wrote:

Actually, knowing you're an MD/PhD makes you less qualified for this discussion. MDs get ZERO education about nutrition and are taught to treat every ailment with drugs. As a naturopathic doctor (ND), I am taught to view the person as a whole and treat patients holistically. I use the biopsychosocial model, while you are stuck in the biomedical model. This is why President Trump trusts a DO over an MD.

MAGAKAG

This is not true - I'm an MD and we got some lectures on nutrition geared towards family medicine along with experience managing nutrition status in critically ill patients (I know, not normal people).

So, while our nutrition education is not the same as that of a dietician, it is definitely not ZERO as you confidently stated.

Sorry buddy, gonna need a source for this

No source, huh? Classic liberal tactic.

I'm going out on a limb here, but I think you ate too much. You can get fat on a meat diet, fat on vegetables, fat on a det that includes both. There's no magic menu that will help you stay a good weight. Just eat whatever foods you are you're eating, but less. Don't stop eating, but if you're putting on weight like that, be a little more careful with how much yout eat.

My motivation was just better health, but I just lost 18 lbs (1 lb/wk) by going mostly vegetarian. Enough with all the labels, just think of it as a low fat, low sugar diet. I wasn't even intending to lose weight, just had a health scare and needed to reduce cholesterol. The weight loss just came with the new diet.

If interested in what I did, read-on...

Under the guidance of a nutritionist-

No dairy, sugar, red meat. Salmon and chicken1 x week.

Main ingredients are made of black beans, brown rice, quinoa, bulgur, lentils, ground oats, beets, sweet potatoes, tofu, spinach, other vegetables

Made in the form of burgers, enchiladas, spaghetti, salads.

Add berries, dried fruit, nuts, flaxseed, chia seeds

Spices and olive oil to make it taste good.

Breakfast- oatmeal or fiber cold cereal

Whole wheat bread, tortillas, noodles

Snack on apple sauce, carrots and Trader Joes fruit bars

I'm full and don't miss a thing.

Wasn't really hard. You just have to have a major health scare to rewire your brain...I'll save you the trouble :).

Oh and I walk, bike, or run or some combo 1 hr a day.

Blood values went from good to very good.