Amos knows what he did, accidentally or not. If he is a good man, he will give up his spot to Jewitt.
Amos knows what he did, accidentally or not. If he is a good man, he will give up his spot to Jewitt.
JRinaldi wrote:
Jeff Riseley (AUS) just just as impeded as anyone in that fall. The referees said it didn’t impede him…even though he had to avoid tripping on the rail and then move sideways to jump over the two that fell!
Yes, I am his coach and may be bias :)
After watching from the other angle, you’re absolutely right. The current decision seems to punish Riseley for staying on his feet!
RunAnnArbor wrote:
Ah. Just watched the NBC broadcast a bunch of times. Now I can see Jewett's right foot contact Amos's left leg once . . . throwing Isaiah's stride off . . . and then Jewett's next stride and back kick with his right leg brings his foot into what looks like a pretty hard hit to Amos's left shin, causing Nigel to start to go down. I could not detect any fault or involvement on the part of Rotich. I also could not see any indication of Amos clipping the either heel of Jewett's, as the cause of the fall.
Wise Old Man . . . love the Zapruder reference there. :-)
Thank you!
When they ran this story on nbc nightly news, Lester Holt says that Amos tripped Jewett
animaxcg wrote:
xczvzxcv wrote:
looks clear to me that Amos's right foot hit Jewett's left on the backswing, causing the fall. Amos shouldn't be in the final but the final is better for him being there.
I hate to say this but Jewett cut in before it was legal to cut in... rules clearly state you cannot pass a runner and cut in till your stride doesn't impede the runner you are passing. clearly from the start of the bend Amos' inside foot was always closer to the rail than Jewetts (even the back stretch every stride Amos is next to the rail until the fall where Jewett cut in such that his back kick hit Amos)... if Amos was more than a stride length behind Jewett and he ran into him than Amos would be at fault.. however, from the bend on there is never a time where that is the case.. even 1 stride before the fall you can clearly see Jewett running to the outside of Amos... his cutting in impeded Amos.
Now by "clearly" I mean I had to screen capture the video and go frame by frame to see what happened.
I can find the rule number if you want but may just be the basic impeding rule..
It's quite simple Jewett cut in before he legally is allowed... if someone can find something in the world athletic handbook that says otherwise let me know.
I think Amos' thinking that his appeal wouldn't go through has to do with him being the one that made the contact Jewett couldn't see. but that really isn't a part of any rule. rarely to officials tend to get rulings right it seems anecdotally but this one they got right.
So quick question for you - how in the f--k is anyone able to pass anyone in a running race? Seriously - what's is your interpretation of how someone can pass someone if that is considered "cutting in". If you think that constitutes cutting in then the only answer is to simply run every god damn event in lanes. That is complete and utter nonsense. Jewett passes him routinely at 600m and is in front of him on the rail for at least 15 before this contact happens - so is there also a limit or minimum number of meters someone needs to be in front of someone for until it's considered a "legal" pass?
This is a running message board and I guess in general appeals to followers and fans of specifically running/track and field. And yet based on some of the comments you would think that people haven't watched more than 4-5 track races in their entire lives. Unbelievable.
Here is another thread here that definitely shows Jewett's foot hit Amos's knee causing it to swing into his own leg. https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=10754571
Jewett slowed down significantly and fell down due to his own tactics, the foot contact was considered incidental. Amos was tripped after jewett started falling and so his was considered an infraction by jewett and amos was allowed in. Source From someone on the review committee on the video analysis side not the field team.
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
So quick question for you - how in the f--k is anyone able to pass anyone in a running race? Seriously - what's is your interpretation of how someone can pass someone if that is considered "cutting in". If you think that constitutes cutting in then the only answer is to simply run every god damn event in lanes. That is complete and utter nonsense. Jewett passes him routinely at 600m and is in front of him on the rail for at least 15 before this contact happens - so is there also a limit or minimum number of meters someone needs to be in front of someone for until it's considered a "legal" pass?
This is a running message board and I guess in general appeals to followers and fans of specifically running/track and field. And yet based on some of the comments you would think that people haven't watched more than 4-5 track races in their entire lives. Unbelievable.
Yeah, if you've watched enough races over the years it's pretty obvious when someone does the aggressive, sudden cut-in that's at risk for a foul if the runner being passed gets tripped up. This is not such a case. Amos got passed and Jewitt was well established in front of him by the point of the fall. I don't think Amos did anything intentionally reckless, but you can't just run into the back of the person who just passed you and claim they cut in too soon.
JRinaldi wrote:
Jeff Riseley (AUS) just just as impeded as anyone in that fall. The referees said it didn’t impede him…even though he had to avoid tripping on the rail and then move sideways to jump over the two that fell!
Yes, I am his coach and may be bias :)
And Justin you are also right - this was a huge mess for Jeff and Nabil to avoid. Was Jeff going to run 12.3 for the last 100 and roll over at least 5 people? Well we will never know ;) - but it's not the point - if Amos gets through because he was obstructed how on earth do Riseley and Nabil not.
I will say it again, I don't think Amos was in the wrong and I definitely don't think Jewett was. I think this was an absolute freak occurrence of timing and because of that it should be filed in the "just one of those unfortunate things" category. Kind of like in the cricket world cup final when Guptill was trying to run out Stokes and the ball hit his bat and went for 4 costing the kiwis the cup.
But letting Amos in is pure bollocks and Jewett, Riseley and Nabil should feel very aggrieved.
reer wrote:
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
So quick question for you - how in the f--k is anyone able to pass anyone in a running race? Seriously - what's is your interpretation of how someone can pass someone if that is considered "cutting in". If you think that constitutes cutting in then the only answer is to simply run every god damn event in lanes. That is complete and utter nonsense. Jewett passes him routinely at 600m and is in front of him on the rail for at least 15 before this contact happens - so is there also a limit or minimum number of meters someone needs to be in front of someone for until it's considered a "legal" pass?
This is a running message board and I guess in general appeals to followers and fans of specifically running/track and field. And yet based on some of the comments you would think that people haven't watched more than 4-5 track races in their entire lives. Unbelievable.
Yeah, if you've watched enough races over the years it's pretty obvious when someone does the aggressive, sudden cut-in that's at risk for a foul if the runner being passed gets tripped up. This is not such a case. Amos got passed and Jewitt was well established in front of him by the point of the fall. I don't think Amos did anything intentionally reckless, but you can't just run into the back of the person who just passed you and claim they cut in too soon.
100%. For anyone saying the Jewett pass was illegal I'm trying to figure out how they envisage anyone making a "legal" pass in a race. Do we need what 5 meters clearance? Perhaps the runners should hand signal or wear an indicator like they were in a car. Written agreement?
penile enhanced wrote:
FastTuohy wrote:
This video is from a different angle and shows Jewett's right foot contacted Rotich's left leg apparently throwing him off so he tripped.
What is interesting is that going into that turn Rotich was on the rail and Jewett was outside of him in lane 1. Jewett got ahead of him and moved to the rail right before he tripped.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bqpg2eStSEFocus on Jewett running up on Tuka, that is what starts the whole chain of events, watch Jewish right knee hit Tukas back foot, it causes Jewett to stall, which causes Amos to step on him and they both go down to the track.
Listen, I'm rooting for Jewett, but Amos deserves to be advanced for sure, it was the Olympics want to be generous, due to the sportsmanship, they can advance Jewett as well...
I mean I want Murphy to win, I wanted. Young Jewett in the final, and Amos is an old fave, so it was heartbreaking to watch, but I also thinkHoppel should have been advanced to the final cuz he was impeded with about 200 ago...
I could be okay with both of them being advanced Amos and Jewett .
i thought you were right but then looked at this clip and jewett's knee does not hit tuka's leg
https://twitter.com/SethTVSports/status/1421937672038322184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1421937672038322184%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.embedly.com%2Fwidgets%2Fmedia.html%3Ftype%3Dtext2Fhtmlkey%3Dfd92ebbc52fc43fb98f69e50e7893c13schema%3Dtwitterurl%3Dhttps3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fsethtvsports%2Fstatus%2F1421937672038322184image%3Dhttps3A%2F%2Fabs.twimg.com%2Ferrors%2Flogo46x38.pngNot even close. Jewitt hit Amos in the knee and that is what send it him, even in slow mo, if you can't see it , you must work for world athletics.
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Stupid move by Jewett. What did he think he was going to accomplish going to the rail at that point of the race anyway? If he had just stayed where he was behind Tuka he might have made the final. Imagine trying to change lanes on a freeway trying to fit your car between two cars where there isn't enough room to do so. He got hit by Tuka and Amos because of his ill-thought cut-in.
The guy (Belgian?) who cut in front of Hoppel with 200 to go was much more disruptive than what Jewett did (if anything).
100%. For anyone saying the Jewett pass was illegal I'm trying to figure out how they envisage anyone making a "legal" pass in a race. Do we need what 5 meters clearance? Perhaps the runners should hand signal or wear an indicator like they were in a car. Written agreement?
Turn signals?
OSU_FAN wrote:
This idea that runners can see what’s going on behind them (outside of periferal vision) and adjust is so stupid I can’t believe people are using it as a reason for a DQ or reinstatement of Amos.
At this point both should be in the final or just Jewett. I’ve seen no evidence that Jewett went down for anything other than Amos running up on him too close.
lol maybe because it's the actual rule... have you never run a race over 800... what is the thing the starter always says.. at the break-in you may cut in as long as you don't cut someone (impede)
Star wrote:
Jewett passed Amos on the outside on the turn and got in front of him cleanly cutting in.
Then immediately, Amos tried to move outside and go back around Jewett.
That's where the contact happened.
Jewett didn't cut in too soon.
Amos cut out too soon.
Not a foul, though.
He moved out because he got cut off.. its that or spike the crap out of Jewett... Amos
Hghhh wrote:
Sheesh just watched the plain ole NBC feed. It's blindingly obvious. Jewett clipped Amos. Neither was at fault. The officials were, however, at fault. Why on earth was Amos reinstated? What about all the other numerous similar incidents in the Olympics over history? They didn't get reinstated!
Because rule 17.2 says if an athlete is impeded (intentionally or not) they can protest and move to the next round.. please read the rules before commenting.
ceccione wrote:
Isiah did not cut in aggressively. It was gradual and respectful. He THOUGHT he was clear. But he did cut in on Amos.
But ALSO, Amos decided to move to the outside at the same time. They crossed each other in passing.
This one was so close... horrible luck.
I wish they both could advance. Here's a slow mo video from behind to see their crossing movements..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlQFkBrZADs
That's a great video - can you point out at any point where it appears like Amos appears impeded (signs would be a shortening/chopping of the stride, him standing up, arms moving differently etc etc) - because I see none. That's because it was as innocuous a pass as possible. You then clearly see the crazy unlucky timing when Jewetts foot perfectly hits the upper shin of Amos - but this is absolutely neither athletes fault. So really nothing should happen - that is elite racing. But if anybody is getting a pass into the final it's the guy in front because at this point he is ahead, legally and has the right to hold his position.
