Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston?

elephino wrote:

SaraB wrote:

They missed off Rob Sloan who jumped on a bus in London

From the list:

6. Grab a bus: Rob Sloan

Sorry, I need to learn to read :)

Is it possible to get all of the links in one place? I followed the Kip think a long time after it was finished but I remember there being a central place for all the evidence

talk about coincidence, look who is the physician executive director in charge at Lehigh Valley Health Network, (NOT the same guy and probably unrelated) but coincidental:

http://www.lvhn.org/about_us/lehigh_valley_physician_group_lvpg/lehigh_valley_physician_group_lvpg_overview/lehigh

RunningPhreak wrote:

When I ran in the 3:10 range my recent PRs were 18:45, 39:22, and 1:28:07 so his race times definitely are not consistent with what I think is necessary to run a 3:11 marathon. Also he does not look like a 3:11 marathoner or sub 20 5K kind of guy in any of the photos.

One thing though in response to a post by Rojo about his 18 mile run at much slower than marathon pace, its a decent training pace for a long run so if not raced all out it seems to make sense. I could never bring myself to do my long runs that much slower than marathon pace and certainly I wouldn't enter a race to jog it at a training pace.

My personal best are 20:29 (2011), 41:23 (2011), and 1:28 (2010) but I haven't been able to translate those race times to the marathon. My personal best is 3:21 (2013) and I've been trying for the past 5 years to at least make 3:15.

Now I have the formula. Sign up for the ViMarathon and execute Mike's plan accordingly.

rojo wrote:

Yes. Non runners don't get how we 'know' what happened. I was dating a girl in my 20s. A non runner. She entered some sort of nike women's 10k with prize money. She said, "Do you think if I trained really hard I could win it?" I was like, "You could train your entire life and would never finish 50."

I had jogged with her a few times and knew her talent level.

LOL Rojo, charming the ladies

I wish Rojo would just delete any posts on this thread that mention the race times of someone other than Rossi.

Sums it up wrote:

3. He posts very very long blogs about his races and he never blogged, facebooked, and spammed twitter after his miraculous marathon. He did respond to a tweet when someone congratulated him on his great race.

This is the heaviest piece of evidence. It's equivalent to if I had a one-night stand with Brenda Martinez and didn't make a thread about it on here.

Plan A: continue search for incriminating photo/video

Plan B: stage a wedding, invite letsrunners, hire him as DJ, have video cameras all around like at any wedding, then when he announces bride and groom in come the Brojos along with Morley Safer of 60 minutes. Interview on.

He did post on Facebook a little bit about Lehigh. Start and finish photos, his time - nothing like the long race reports for other races. I just want to be clear lest he come back with proof that he posted about it, as if that was some sort of proof that he ran it.

Guys please do not blow up LV's facebook page.... It's not fair to the event that this guy is associated with it..... I'm sure they are feeling tons of anxiety over this with the fact their event is tied to it.

jamin wrote:

Sums it up wrote:

3. He posts very very long blogs about his races and he never blogged, facebooked, and spammed twitter after his miraculous marathon. He did respond to a tweet when someone congratulated him on his great race.

This is the heaviest piece of evidence. It's equivalent to if I had a one-night stand with Brenda Martinez and didn't make a thread about it on here.

I agree. His blog post displaying his acceptance letter for Boston has 20 photos of him running. 20 photos in one blog post alone! You'd think that he would never shut up about his best race ever and the marathon that got him there. It's the one race that should matter most to him in his posts before running Boston because it's the one that got him his childhood (4 months ago) 'dream'

RunningPhreak wrote:

When I ran in the 3:10 range my recent PRs were 18:45, 39:22, and 1:28:07 so his race times definitely are not consistent with what I think is necessary to run a 3:11 marathon. Also he does not look like a 3:11 marathoner or sub 20 5K kind of guy in any of the photos.

One thing though in response to a post by Rojo about his 18 mile run at much slower than marathon pace, its a decent training pace for a long run so if not raced all out it seems to make sense. I could never bring myself to do my long runs that much slower than marathon pace and certainly I wouldn't enter a race to jog it at a training pace.

3:40 marathoners do not do long runs at marathon pace. Races are different but even then, too many runners I know use them as a training run. Like you, I'm too competitive..

Thread Police wrote:

I wish Rojo would just delete any posts on this thread that mention the race times of someone other than Rossi.

As long as he deletes all of the "nice try Mike" posts.

seriously... wrote:

dreamin wrote:

This guy is just fascinating. It got me thinking, what did narcissists like this guy do to get their external validation before social media and blogs? Did they just carry around their training log and a book of pictures to show everyone they meet? Or did the internet create/amplify the narcissism?

Many of the people crucifying him are every bit as narcissistic and self absorbed as Mike, I've seen your FB pages, Mike could learn a thing or two from some you. We're runners, you kinda need to be narcissistic, it's how you excel in an individual sport but of course there are different levels.

Many would have reacted towards the principal with the same way Mike did...in the same fashion we are working to prove Mike cheated.

The only difference between "us" and Mike is we aren't cheaters.

- Yes there are many narcissistic runners out there, but not in any greater proportion than in the general population.

- No, you don't "kinda need to be narcissistic" to excel in this sport. Not at all. Many elites can serve as examples of that. Don't confuse narcissism with confidence and a will to succeed.

-Many would (and did) react the same way to the principal. Many but not most, as evidenced by the comments on the original story.

So no, I do not agree that's the only difference between "us" and him.

FYI, it took me about an hour, but it looks like I found pictures of all the remaining people. The photo record is so substantial, it is even possible to find bandits, improperly tagged people, etc. I'm now 100% positive that everyone in this race shows up in at least one additional photo beyond the finish line photo (and in most cases, 4 to 6 additional photos).

I think you're right about that. The thing is, Boston has always been sanctified for runners--the folks here, for example--but in the aftermath of the bombing, it's become sanctified for the general public. When Meb won it, he double-sanctified it. Now the trial is going on. The Boston Marathon is sacred ground, much as is the old World Trade Center location.

Mike's initial story, a slapback at his kids' principal, gained so much instant traction precisely because the principal was supposed to know that Bosdton was now sacred ground: a place where children can be instructed in heroism, the meaning of American citizenship, the agon of the serious athlete (aka, "Dad"), etc. Family AND national values.

What Rossi has done by cheating on his BQ is commit sacrilege--not just in the eyes of the serious runnerfolk here, but in the eyes of the general public ...

Good insight. Maybe we runners brought this on ourselves with the #BostonStrong and flag waving the bombings brought into the sport? I did the '13 Falmouth RR a few months after the bombings and when Mcgillivray started talking about "our freedom to run" at the start I was thinking-- These guys are taking this too far. Is it any surprise a patriotic all-American Dad from the Philly burbs wanted in on the heroism? And after training and running a few races, he realizes: OMG a BQ is never going to happen. I'm not excusing the guy - no holds barred until he comes clean - but after thinking about it, his motives seem at least a bit more understandable and this kind of thing should have been expected. That race is an industry that generates vast wealth for itself and the city based on its Fox News appeal - when I was flying home this year in my jacket people were congratulating me like I was coming home from Iraq - so they got a Fox News viewer in the field. What did they expect?

I'm going through all the photos from a google image search of the 2014 marathon. If future, if anyone is planning to be a suspected cheat can you wear a colour that stands out please :)

run along wrote:

Plan A: continue search for incriminating photo/video

Plan B: stage a wedding, invite letsrunners, hire him as DJ, have video cameras all around like at any wedding, then when he announces bride and groom in come the Brojos along with Morley Safer of 60 minutes. Interview on.

I'm going on record saying I absolutely love plan B. Please invite me.

LO F'in L