38% for Tory + Reform is pretty bad though when you compare it to how many people voted for Labour/LD/Green/PC/SNP/Independent.
The system is set up so that a united right wing can win big majorities with a minority of the vote. It's hilarious to see them split and get crushed under their own rules.
This is completely spot on. Amazing how many people irrevocably opposed to proportional representation only do so because they realise it would keep the lunatic right wing out of power forever. Amazing how many people are right wing and don't realise that right wing parties are solely interested in keeping the wealth and power in the hands of the small percentage who are the establishment. The secret of right wing parties is to lie to the ordinary man using devices like hatred of foreigners and bogus culture wars. You only have to look back to 1930s Germany.
This is completely spot on. Amazing how many people irrevocably opposed to proportional representation only do so because they realise it would keep the lunatic right wing out of power forever. Amazing how many people are right wing and don't realise that right wing parties are solely interested in keeping the wealth and power in the hands of the small percentage who are the establishment. The secret of right wing parties is to lie to the ordinary man using devices like hatred of foreigners and bogus culture wars. You only have to look back to 1930s Germany.
Good God. The Nazis again?
Let me guess: you're upset that they didn't finish the job?
Same thing will happen here in November. People are tired of the hatred and negativity coming from the right.
The writing is on the wall. Don’t be surprised when it happens.
I think people for the most part don't like extremes. This is how the WSJ article on the new British PM describes hiim.
LONDON—In 2020, Keir Starmer took over a Labour Party plagued with allegations of antisemitism and led by Jeremy Corbyn, a firebrand socialist who admired Venezuelan revolutionary Hugo Chávez and advocated nationalizing swaths of Britain’s economy. Activists waved Palestinian flags at Labour’s annual meeting. Starmer, a former public prosecutor, put an end to all of that. He dragged the party to the center, rooted out members who expressed antisemitic attitudes, and two years after taking charge instructed Labour members to sing “God Save the King” during the party’s annual meeting. The only flags in the hall were Union Jacks. Now, eight years after the U.K. voted to leave the European Union and entered an era of political and economic turmoil, British voters have asked the man known as “No-Drama Starmer” to steady the entire country with his brand of dull competence.
People also are tired of the far left. Basically the left won by not going crazy left. I think tons of Americans would vote for Bill Clinton if he ran but Bill Clinton would be considred a GOPer now.
The problem is all political parties take one win and then think that means people think they should go for to the right or left.
Rojo
PS. Mods. please do not delete threads with 8 pages of posts on them. At a minimum, lock it to new posts but don't delete it.
Not "stoked" at all, dude. Reform got 4 million votes but only won 5 seats.
Lib Dems got only 3.5 million votes but won 71 seats.
Those are their rules, but in no rational universe does the distribution of seats represent the will of the people.
On to tomorrow in France...
Plaid Cymru got 4 seats with less than 200k votes.
It's a parliamentary system, 650 different elections happening over the country. The Lib Dems have started playing the game properly, and they're helped by the fact that Labour voters in the South will vote for them now tactically.
It would be fascinating to me to see how people here define the following:
Communism
Marxism
Socialism
Democratic Socialism
Social Democracy
Liberalism
There seems to be a crazy idea that they are the same and that any rejection of vulture capitalism is one generic and undefined "left wing". Worse is the idea that if we simply play a bogus culture war argument then we don't need to actually understand anything to "win".
Not sure if you're a troll or know nothing about the UK's system
This was a swing from the centre right party to a more extreme right party - the opposite of rejecting right-wing conservatism
It is rare that I read something that is so flat-out wrong that I spent quite some time checking I was actually reading it correctly. Are you under the impression that the fascist "Reform" party won? It is the only possible interpretation that makes sense.
As above - not sure if you're a troll or know nothing about our system. Did you look at the image showing vote swing? There was no rejection of extreme right. We're roughly as racist as 2015 when UKIP collected only slightly lower vote share than Reform. Of course reform didn't 'win'. The story in the data is
1. Centre right party collapsed, with many votes going extreme right
2. Centrist parties collect seats due to fractured votes and our first past the post constituency based system
3. Collapse of SNP in Scotland for reasons other than right/left
As for saying 'flat out wrong' and reform winning being 'the only possible interpretation that makes sense'.
a) I'm glad you're not my lawyer b) when you don't know what you're talking about better to ask questions than make assertions
Same thing will happen here in November. People are tired of the hatred and negativity coming from the right.
The writing is on the wall. Don’t be surprised when it happens.
I think people for the most part don't like extremes. This is how the WSJ article on the new British PM describes hiim.
LONDON—In 2020, Keir Starmer took over a Labour Party plagued with allegations of antisemitism and led by Jeremy Corbyn, a firebrand socialist who admired Venezuelan revolutionary Hugo Chávez and advocated nationalizing swaths of Britain’s economy. Activists waved Palestinian flags at Labour’s annual meeting. Starmer, a former public prosecutor, put an end to all of that. He dragged the party to the center, rooted out members who expressed antisemitic attitudes, and two years after taking charge instructed Labour members to sing “God Save the King” during the party’s annual meeting. The only flags in the hall were Union Jacks. Now, eight years after the U.K. voted to leave the European Union and entered an era of political and economic turmoil, British voters have asked the man known as “No-Drama Starmer” to steady the entire country with his brand of dull competence.
People also are tired of the far left. Basically the left won by not going crazy left. I think tons of Americans would vote for Bill Clinton if he ran but Bill Clinton would be considred a GOPer now.
The problem is all political parties take one win and then think that means people think they should go for to the right or left.
Rojo
PS. Mods. please do not delete threads with 8 pages of posts on them. At a minimum, lock it to new posts but don't delete it.
the wsj is the extreme here. Why would you consider the characterisation of British politics by a newspaper owned by an American billionaire fair or 'centred' in any way
It is rare that I read something that is so flat-out wrong that I spent quite some time checking I was actually reading it correctly. Are you under the impression that the fascist "Reform" party won? It is the only possible interpretation that makes sense.
As above - not sure if you're a troll or know nothing about our system. Did you look at the image showing vote swing? There was no rejection of extreme right. We're roughly as racist as 2015 when UKIP collected only slightly lower vote share than Reform. Of course reform didn't 'win'. The story in the data is
1. Centre right party collapsed, with many votes going extreme right
2. Centrist parties collect seats due to fractured votes and our first past the post constituency based system
3. Collapse of SNP in Scotland for reasons other than right/left
As for saying 'flat out wrong' and reform winning being 'the only possible interpretation that makes sense'.
a) I'm glad you're not my lawyer b) when you don't know what you're talking about better to ask questions than make assertions
I still can't tell if you understand how elections work in the UK
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Not sure if you're a troll or know nothing about the UK's system
This was a swing from the centre right party to a more extreme right party - the opposite of rejecting right-wing conservatism
It is rare that I read something that is so flat-out wrong that I spent quite some time checking I was actually reading it correctly. Are you under the impression that the fascist "Reform" party won? It is the only possible interpretation that makes sense.
Let's see what the Economics Observatory said about the far right in the election. Nothing remarkable about the EO, anyone who knows anything is saying the same.
The far right’s vote share
While the Lib Dems secured 72 seats – placing them third in terms of seats in Westminster – they received 12.2% of the vote. Reform UK received a larger share of the votes (14.3%), but only secured five seats. Reform ranked third in terms of overall votes secured and garnered half a million more votes than the Lib Dems. The distribution of the Reform vote share in 2024 is comparable to the UKIP vote share in the 2015 election, which preceded the 2016 referendum on Brexit. The rise in the vote share for the far right mirrors the trend in other European countries, suggesting substantial and persistent support for far-right policies amid continuing political and economic uncertainties.
Ten charts tell the story of Labour’s landslide victory in the UK’s 2024 general election, putting it in historical perspective and, in the data on turnout, revealing the disengagement of many voters.
It would be fascinating to me to see how people here define the following:
Communism
Marxism
Socialism
Democratic Socialism
Social Democracy
Liberalism
There seems to be a crazy idea that they are the same and that any rejection of vulture capitalism is one generic and undefined "left wing". Worse is the idea that if we simply play a bogus culture war argument then we don't need to actually understand anything to "win".
Communism and capitalism are two sides of the same shekel (or Federal Reserve Note).
Communism is the revolt by people of color against world White authority, led by the jew.
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