Completely obtuse. You know nothing about testing if you think a couple of in-competition tests can catch anything. Again I did not create this scandal or the fraud associated with it.
I can't wait for her to go pro so she'll be subject to random out of competition drug testing, and then we'll find out if she is legit or not. I hope that she is.
Running the second fastest college 1500 time in history as a freshman is ridiculous. Either ridiculous talent or a ridiculous amount of drugs. It will be interesting to see which one it turns out to be.
Oh and she ran that time in high school because the Johnsons were doping her in high school. Lauren Johnson even paced her in that race. It is the most farcical thing I have seen in this sport.
Completely obtuse. You know nothing about testing if you think a couple of in-competition tests can catch anything. Again I did not create this scandal or the fraud associated with it.
I know that passing two drug tests of any sort is a lot better than passing ZERO.
As of right now, there is more evidence of Wiley being clean than there is of Tuohy being clean.
Completely obtuse. You know nothing about testing if you think a couple of in-competition tests can catch anything. Again I did not create this scandal or the fraud associated with it.
and you know nothing about doping if you think a sub-4:30 miler is going to be on epo and barely be able to dip under 17:00 for 5k
You also know that absent out of competition testing, which barely catches the dopers as it is, that any in-competition, race day test is hopeless.
You also know that the Johnsons were publicly accused of doping their athletes by multiple former HU athletes and Nick of sexual assault. And that Nick admitted giving injections to athletes.
You also know Lauren Johnson pulled the same out of nowhere act when she suddenly made a world team.
Sorry but the cheating here is obvious. If a program decides to go rogue dope athletes in high school and college, there is little that can be done in the short term. But it has to be called out.
The thing is Wiley has proven very easily manipulated. I don't know if this amounts to being groomed as some speculate. But this was blatantly obvious, and she went along with it as if anyone outside of a couple of weird boosters on here was going to feign being fooled. One hundred percent the Johnsons are desperate and told her to throw caution to the wind and she went along with it. No it is not talent. We saw this exact script once before with her mentor.
While I don't want this thread to turn into a Nick and Lauren Johnson /Huntington scandal discussion thread, it's impossible to to totally separate the two stories (Huntington/Johnson scandal and Wiley's success).
By that same logic, it's perfectly fine to connect Tuohy's success with her trolls on this forum and their false accusations.
Come on folks, let's send this abuse right back where it's coming from.
So I understand that you are a self professed troll and I must say, a very unimaginative one at that. But here is some friendly advice. You really need to keep Tuohy’s name out of your mouth, bro. She has nothing to do with this s***show. Tuohy is just a normal college student and athlete, great teammate, with a very wholesome image. She isn’t involved in some freaky sexual relationship with her coach, taking injections of who knows what in his garage, or shamelessly trashing other women who unfortunately got caught up in this mess. At the end of the day, who do you think most young athletes looking for role models would rather be like?
You also know that absent out of competition testing, which barely catches the dopers as it is, that any in-competition, race day test is hopeless.
You also know that the Johnsons were publicly accused of doping their athletes by multiple former HU athletes and Nick of sexual assault. And that Nick admitted giving injections to athletes.
You also know Lauren Johnson pulled the same out of nowhere act when she suddenly made a world team.
Sorry but the cheating here is obvious. If a program decides to go rogue dope athletes in high school and college, there is little that can be done in the short term. But it has to be called out.
there were two collegiate women who came forward and it's not like they were unaware they were getting injections. yes Nick provided the drugs but they knew what they were doing.
again, both of them were mid 4:50s mile caliber runners for about 5 years straight and then suddenly improved.
addy was ~10 seconds faster than both of them within less than 2 months of beginning her track career as a freshman in high school.
there have been no allegations of them doping any high school athletes, outside of the slander coming from the likes of yourself.
and you think despite being under a microscrope, Nick and Lauren are still procuring and administering epo? you're out of your mind.
when it comes to Addy, there is literally no actual evidence of cheating as you suggest, nor does her progression indicate anything of the sort. and she's going to USATF and Worlds competitions so is one of the very few athletes her age that is actually being drug tested.
Yes Nick provided the drugs. That is exactly the point. No way it just involved the athletes who were brave enough to come forward. The point you concede is Nick Johnson was doping college athletes.
And deal with with it, but if they were willing to dope college athletes then nothing would have prevented them from doping Wiley once she turned 18. By all means, what scruples have the Johnsons exhibited when Nick was sexually assaulting his athletes and doing god knows what? You say "no evidence", yet her coaches have been credibly accused of doping their athletes and worse. That is extraordinary evidence. You know this already.
Also what microscope? No anti-doping agencies have targeted them. Getting EPO is not hard and Nick openly admitted having steroid products at his home. Nick Johnson is literally facing prison, the definition of nothing left to lose.
Sorry but no point being dishonest about this scandal.
Yes Nick provided the drugs. That is exactly the point. No way it just involved the athletes who were brave enough to come forward. The point you concede is Nick Johnson was doping college athletes.
And deal with with it, but if they were willing to dope college athletes then nothing would have prevented them from doping Wiley once she turned 18. By all means, what scruples have the Johnsons exhibited when Nick was sexually assaulting his athletes and doing god knows what? You say "no evidence", yet her coaches have been credibly accused of doping their athletes and worse. That is extraordinary evidence. You know this already.
Also what microscope? No anti-doping agencies have targeted them. Getting EPO is not hard and Nick openly admitted having steroid products at his home. Nick Johnson is literally facing prison, the definition of nothing left to lose.
Sorry but no point being dishonest about this scandal.
i see you've backtracked from her being doped all of high school to now when she turned 18.
and yes of course i concede they doped two of their collegiate athletes. that's obvious and there is plenty of testimony and actual results to prove it.
it's not the anti-doping agencies that would have nick under a microscrope. it's law enforcement. the man is in considerable trouble and rightly so. you think they still have epo and steroids lying around their house? you're living in a fantasy world.
the fact he is facing prison time makes you think he has nothing to lose? if he's lucky he'll do a few years. if he's even dumber than could be imagined and was still trying to dope athletes he stands to lose a LOT more years of freedom. you really don't think he's 100% aware of this?
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