karpopper wrote:
Class of Steele wrote:NICE!!! Mixing it up with the African boys!!! Love to see that... Luke P is the man!!
calling them boys
you "bringing that back"
you call luke a man
just funny choice
Agreed! His post was not politically correct. Thanks for pointing out his microaggression against those with dark skin.
He might have actually been correct in calling them boys. All the Africans are in their teens still, right?
I'm really liberal wrote:
karpopper wrote:calling them boys
you "bringing that back"
you call luke a man
just funny choice
Agreed! His post was not politically correct. Thanks for pointing out his microaggression against those with dark skin.
Seriously mate? wrote:
He might have actually been correct in calling them boys. All the Africans are in their teens still, right?
I'm really liberal wrote:Agreed! His post was not politically correct. Thanks for pointing out his microaggression against those with dark skin.
I am not racist and did not mean anything bad by this. I was applauding and complimenting Luke. And saying " African men " sounds weird, while " African boys " does not sound weird.
Thin Lizzy--The Boys are Back in Town: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG3UiGHv0FUSure would sound strange to say "The Men are Back in Town."
Class of Steele wrote:
Seriously mate? wrote:He might have actually been correct in calling them boys. All the Africans are in their teens still, right?
I am not racist and did not mean anything bad by this. I was applauding and complimenting Luke. And saying " African men " sounds weird, while " African boys " does not sound weird.
You guys are idiots. Seriously. Skeptics of Puskedra's effort have clearly either never trained for and raced a marathon or are recreational sloggers.
Anyone serious about making the Olympic team is ass-deep in perhaps the hardest training of his life at this point. The half yesterday was nothing but a waypoint for such types. Puskedra is capable iof a minute faster than what he ran, and five seconds a mile is a shitpile at his level.
He's fine, and everyone can back off and return to their cribs and pacifiers now.
S. Canaday wrote:
This is Luke's thread so apologize for the hijacking.
Guys in the half ran really impressive yesterday...Justin Young got an OTQ as well (and Pat Rizzo had a solid one). The guys running 61-62 are really amazing. Heck, I was behind Sara Hall most of the first 6 miles... running 5:15-5:18 pace...thought she'd hold on run 1:09:high for sure.
You're right with my training though. I messed up. Not enough marathon specific stuff and didn't get the muscle fibers adapted to faster/turnover/flatter running for sustained miles (i.e. I did a pathetic 2 x 3 mile workout in Boulder 3 weeks ago and struggled to hit 5:15-5:10 pace). In reality I should have been going 3 x 3 miles at 5:00 pace and 6-7 x 1 mile at 4:55-4:50 pace. Just didn't have time to recover after Cal and 5:15/mile pace never felt relaxed like it used to (esp. at altitude).
Also for the record, guys like Smyth and Gray don't do the really long-ultra-mountain stuff (yet)...only runnable 50km trails and half marathon trail races. It'll be interesting to see how guys like Laney and Tollefsen do at the trails...although hopefully they had enough time to recover from UTMB/CCC respectively and get in marathon specific road/track work.
The long climbing ultras really slow the stride rate and makes you build up your leg muscles for climbing/descending mountains. I'm kicking myself for failing to OTQ this time around, but honestly if I couldn't get it done in 4 tries over the past 10 months I don't deserve to be there.
Congrats to all the qualifiers and best of luck with their last 4 weeks of training heading into the Trials.
E.A wrote:Based on Sage's training, one could tell he wasn't going to qualify. He kept cutting his workouts short, always saying "saving it for the race." Once you shift into that mentality, you are done. You are over-thinking. You need to stress the body past the point of comfort in training.
My 2nd thought (although Smyth ran 63:00 today) is that MUT racing slows the stride by generating too much power and vertical velocity. His stride has gotten slower but stronger and to get his propulsion forward, he needed more time on the flats at fast paces. At least now he can focus on what he is great - MUT racing and throw down some epic races.
Sage:
You are a class act. Thanks for posting. I was following your progress on the Houston Marathon results website. I think you were on pace for 35k or so.
Please try again in 2020.
Whellan Dowd wrote:
You guys are idiots. Seriously. Skeptics of Puskedra's effort have clearly either never trained for and raced a marathon or are recreational sloggers.
Anyone serious about making the Olympic team is ass-deep in perhaps the hardest training of his life at this point. The half yesterday was nothing but a waypoint for such types. Puskedra is capable iof a minute faster than what he ran, and five seconds a mile is a shitpile at his level.
He's fine, and everyone can back off and return to their cribs and pacifiers now.
Nobody is a "skeptic of his effort", just the opposite actually. We believe a p.r. represents quite an effort. And "capable of a minute faster" is pure speculation. As far as I know, I'm the only one on this thread who got up & watched the whole race (decent enough production, heavy on the local yocal stories typical of home city coverage) and if Luke was "capable" of even a second faster, he would have, as he was in an all out duel for 3rd place. Referring to our homes as cribs was funny though as I haven't heard that archaic term for years now. And no pacifier here, but I do sleep with a pillow pet & they are awesome!
Class of Steele wrote:
Seriously mate? wrote:He might have actually been correct in calling them boys. All the Africans are in their teens still, right?
I am not racist and did not mean anything bad by this. I was applauding and complimenting Luke. And saying " African men " sounds weird, while " African boys " does not sound weird.
Don't be ridiculous! The fool that attacked your post is so ignorant and out of touch with any form of reality it makes us want to go take a shower. The negative term, way back, was 'BOY.'Not boys. This moron did not learn well from all his liberal indoctrination. I could list quotes all day with the greatest human beings of this country who said boys. Right off, "So our BOYS are flying blind and on empty." Roosevelt. Boys was referred to as the guys or men. "The boys were slaughtered but fought on!" Grant. Hal Moore said he knew he would find all these dead boys here. Hell I remember a poem from my military days. BY DANIELLE STEEL...It was called 'The boys who fought in Nam.' Leading all our boys.' Those boys really lit it up at the OK. Usually the boys or those boys was always used as a descriptor of strength, courage, our heroic youth! We know what you meant. Don't defend yourself against such people. Please.
I am a clam
you MAY have a point or two, but it'd be WAY easier to take you seriously if you weren't posting under the name 'Whellan Dowd'that's all.
Whellan Dowd wrote:
You guys are idiots. Seriously. Skeptics of Puskedra's effort have clearly either never trained for and raced a marathon or are recreational sloggers.
Anyone serious about making the Olympic team is ass-deep in perhaps the hardest training of his life at this point. The half yesterday was nothing but a waypoint for such types. Puskedra is capable iof a minute faster than what he ran, and five seconds a mile is a shitpile at his level.
He's fine, and everyone can back off and return to their cribs and pacifiers now.
Hhgreg wrote:
The Overexplainer wrote:Also stupid? The idea that a track 10k or one heat and one final track 10k is easier on you than an even-paced all-out half-marathon. You are free to think what you think. I think it is not.
How is a track 10k harder than a half marathon?
This indicates quite clearly that you have never run a track 10k in your life. Give one a shot this spring and you'll have your answer.
One of my friends posted a photo from 1974 US XC Nationals on Facebook. This was the first Nationals that Frank Shorter did not win after winning 4 in a row from 1970, '71, '72, '73.
It occurred to me (after reading an interview with Frank from before that race that someone else posted on FB) how much has changed in running since then.
Every year from '70 until '74 Frank ran the XC Nationals the last week in November (on Saturday) and then JUST SEVEN (not 10 or 8) days later he ran Fukuoka. This is where Shorter really made his name before Munich. He won Fukuoka in '71, '72, '73, '74 consecutively. It was recognized as the most prestigious marathon in the world at the time and then through the late 80's probably. Notice that he ran XC Nationals EVERY year that he won Fukuoka and he won them both and he won Nationals a week before for three of those years.
I was reading the article (which is on prepcaltrack.com if you want to read it - there is some good info on his training and why he went to altitude and his mpw volumes) and they asked him "DO you think that a race like this would hurt your chances in Fukuoka?" He was too polite to say that it hadn't hurt him the last THREE times he won it. But he said that it wouldn't hurt him, and that THREE DAYS before the marathon (every marathon) he ran a 4-mile time trial at 4:28 pace ... so this 10k XC race should not hurt him.
After reading that and remembering from long, long ago that XC Nationals were just 7 days before Fukuoka back then, I started thinking about what he actually tackled in 1972.
This is just from memory and TaFNews and are not all the races he ran that year:
The first one I remember was the US Nationals in track on 6/18 where Fredericks set the AR in 28:08 and Shorter was 2nd in 28:12.0.
Next was the Oly Tr where he ran a heat on June 29, winning in 29:07. Then won the final on July 2nd in 95 degF heat in 28:35.
Then on July 9th he tied for 1st with Kenny Moore in the Marathon Trial in 2:15:57 (also very hot out). Bachelor was 3rd in 2:20:29 and the trio went on to finish 1st, 4th and 9th in the Munich Games.
I am not sure if he ran any Euro track races (or any races!!) before the Games since he had three races at the Trials and his Olympic races were starting on Aug 31.
Next was Munich. ON Aug 31 he was 3rd in his heat in 27:58 (a new AR - his second maybe after his 2:12:51 marathon the year before). Then, three days later, he ran 5th in the final on Sept 3rd in another AR of 27:51. He was behind some all-time greats (Shorter, Haro, Yifter, Puttemans, Viren).
But it wasn't over. He won the Marathon in 2:12:19, just missing the OR of Bikila (because he "didn't want to hot-dog it in the stadium") of 2:12:11. The marathon was on Sept 10, just 7 days after the 10k final.
Again, I don't know what he did between the marathon and XC Nationals (probably rested? and trained?) but he won the US XC Nationals for the 3rd time at the end of November and then just SEVEN DAYS later won Fukuoka FOR THE SECOND STRAIGHT TIME in 2:10:30 (which ended up being his PR), a time which was 3rd-fastest all-time (after Derek Clayton's 2:09:37 and Ron Hill's 2:09:28).
So, to recap:
6/18 - 28:12.0 2nd fastest American ever - 2
6/29 - 29:07 - 1st in heat at OT - 1
7/02 - 28:35 - 1st in 95 deg heat in final - 1
7/09 - 2:15:57 - 1st in OTM in heat - 1
8/31 - 27:58 - 3rd in Munich heat - 3 - AR
9/03 - 27:51 - 5th in Final - 5 - AR again
9/10 - 2:12:19 - 1st in Marathon
late November - Wins 3rd consecutive XC Nationals
12/03 - 2:10:30 - wins 2nd consecutive Fukuoka Marathon - AR
I don't know how he did that. I guess it was spread over 6 months (from 6/18 to 12/03), but ask Frank if Puskedra is doing something wrong.
Wait, didn't Rupp hobby-jog a 61:30 just a few weeks ago.
Dingler wrote:
If Puskedra makes the team (or even comes close) I'll come back here and publicly eat my words and you can all make fun of me.
I'm a man of my word. I was wrong. Great race by Puskedra. For what it's worth, my concern was never that you can't recover from racing a half in 4 weeks, but more what feeling fresh enough to PR might indicate about training volume and intensity.
Luke Puskedra's race schedule:
October 2016: Chicago Marathon
January 2017: Houston Marathon
October 2017: Twin Cities Marathon
How do you know?
295murase wrote:
Luke Puskedra's race schedule:
October 2016: Chicago Marathon
January 2017: Houston Marathon
October 2017: Twin Cities Marathon
295murase wrote:
Luke Puskedra's race schedule:
October 2016: Chicago Marathon
January 2017: Houston Marathon
October 2017: Twin Cities Marathon
No World Championships then.
Will Houston or Twin Cities be the 2017 USA championships?
You honestly do not understand the difference between white people referring to white guys as boys and white people calling black guys boys?
History does not exist?
Dumass white boy
Man has got to get paid. Has a family