Jane Hedengren far superior to Park Valby smashes collegiate record

Should somebody make a T shirt? 15min is not fast

The race commentators stated she did her last mile in 4:35. 😳. Think about that . . . 2.1 miles into a hard effort, close with a 4:35 mile.

Jane kinda be like . . .

“They’re on the turn, and Secretariat is blazing along! The first three-quarters of a mile in 1:09 4/5. Secretariat is widening now. He is moving like a tremendous machine! Secretariat by 12 — Secretariat by 14 lengths on the turn. Sham is dropping back. . . .
Secretariat is all alone. He’s out there almost a sixteenth of a mile away from the rest of the field. Secretariat is in a position that seems impossible to catch. He’s into the stretch. Secretariat leads this field by 18 lengths… Secretariat is going to be the Triple Crown winner.”

-Charles “Chic” Anderson, Belmont Stakes 1973, 31 length Triple Crown event victory. Remains fastest 1 1/2 run ever (2:24) by over 2.4 seconds.

4:35 mile is 14:14 pace

Don’t get me wrong. it’s great. But that’s why the NCAA system exists. Hopefully, Doris and others will bring her to that next level.

Think Secretariat? The drugged Secretariat who after a life time of being drugged had a heart more than 3x the size of a normal thoroughbred? Cardiomyopathy drug induced?

Weight: Secretariat's heart weighed approximately 22 pounds (9.5 to 10 kg).
Average Comparison: The average heart of a Thoroughbred horse weighs only about 8.5 pounds (around 3.9 kg), making Secretariat's heart nearly three times the normal size.

I'm not accusing Jane of being enhanced by exogenous drugs but Secretariat clearly was as have been all "champion" thoroughbreds. Unlike T&F, the coaches (trainers) are suspended....see Baffert etal.....but Bob Kersee is just a fundamentals only miracle as is Sydney and Flo Jo.

Pick better analogies. By the way....Secretariat only ran against 3 horses I believe in his magical Belmont.

But secretariat was clean.

As great as this performance was, she could go well into the 14:30s with some of the second-tier 14:20s/14:30s pros. This should also suggest how fit Doris was. She was hardly breaking a sweat at NCAA xc. She can run 14:10s. There's a reason she was able to run away from Hedengren and put that much distance on her at the end.

There's nothing more common than another teen prodigy. We saw Valby and now it's Hedengren. It's all through the sport today. There will be another along shortly and for much the same reasons.

If you've truly followed this sport for decades, then you should know that future success is not guaranteed for teenaged phenoms. It's fine to predict Jane WILL BE the American women's distance running goat. It's stupid to say she already IS.

Secretariat's large heart was not due to drugs.

It was caused by a rare mutation that has been observed in a few lines of race horses.

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Circulatory system of the horse

The circulatory system of the horse consists of the heart, the blood vessels, and the blood. Anatomy Heart The equine heart is a muscular pump that circulates blood throughout the body. It is more globoid in shape than the hu...

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Secretariat also had extremely good stride mechanics.

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Secretariat (horse)

Secretariat (March 30, 1970 – October 4, 1989), also known as Big Red, was a champion American thoroughbred racehorse who was the ninth winner of the American Triple Crown, setting and still holding the fastest time record in...

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Absolute nonsense. Valby was not a "teen" prodigy. She wasn't even on the radar until her junior year- when she was 21 or 22. And although Tuohy was great in high school, she was nothing special in college until her junior year.

There has never been a college freshman running the times and winning races as easily as Hedengren. It took the the 5th place finisher in World Steeplechase to beat her.

Thanks for adding this. Very interesting! For all the physiology geniuses here, you try to complicate a topic with ignorant minutiae. You haven't witnessed, experienced or really understood much because all you have to do is que AI and BLAM! You're an expert! Please dont think you are any kind of problem solvers and attempt an engineering program or medical specialist residency. The world would be much better off if you didn't.

By the way, if your plan to complete any professional training in your future relies on your lazy, uncurious habits, Im telling you now, the leaders in the field wont let you past them. I hope you dont experience failure too harshly. Just heed warnings from those that have gone before you.

My comparisons are surely beyond your comprehension due to your untrust of earlier generations. You'll have to work past that and I encourage you to question others. But rather than reacting, try questioning and understanding. Then compare to others and your own values. It's not a right or wrong scenario like most other topics here. It's just curiosity, comparing ideas and understanding thats really lacking with LRC forum attendees.

Amen

In regards to JH and JR comparison: From what I've read and witnessed/observed, they are both physically similar with JH having better mechanics. Ryun had a head roll but overall was very efficient, especially when kicking. Both have a smooth relaxed gait and both are not uncomfortable with pushing harder, further away from finish line at an earlier age than most.

Jane will continue to get stronger as already witnessed which in turn increases her overall avg speed. No, she doesn't compete in the same events but will get the same results and has already at her level(s) hs, college frosh that Ryun experienced. National and World class athletes at an early age. She's also still figuring out her own limits which are already beyond records set by the best that came before her. Ryun experienced the same thing. Both respo d well to bei g challenged regardless of distance to the finish line. They are both great pacers but also great racers durimg the race, not just at the end. Overall, the public had/has high expectations for both to have a chance to be the best when it counts the most. Im certain she has Ryun like improvements if not more still in her future with 5k and 10k her best opportunities. Not anything like Touhy or Valby, much better. Here's something to look for. Watch what happens when someone comes up to her shoulder or passes her. Watch her controlled and focused effort. It's not a binary switch. It's a variable speed, smooth effort that is timed with precision. She knows what she's doing. Only one, older and more experienced person has been able to move away from her. But she never lost control of her effort. She just needs more time. It's coming.

Secretariat comparison explanation for you slow witted souls: 3 races or 1000 races it's all the same. That horse had 2 to feel itself out and then in the 3rd was tested by an ignorant fool plan that blew up in their face. Secretariat knew its limits. All it needed was an opportunity to run free. If you've never been around thoroughbreds, they were born to be tested and happily oblige. When that girl figures out what she's capable of and at her peak, she gets pushed, I hope we all see something special. Something that will endure. Maybe something that people will believe can't be surpassed.

We know you are a mediocre man, Crusty.

I appreciate your voice of reason.

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Nobody is that much of an outlier? I think Mary Decker would like a word…they do come along once in a very blue moon.

That is some pretty heady company in which Jane finds herself…