Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston?

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10 years ago 06/30/2015 2:14pm EDT

re: Bloviator

So it appears cheating in marathons is not uncommon and neither is DQing cheaters. My question then is why go on a witch hunt for this one guy if thousands out there are doing it without issue? It's just a stupid marathon, this amounts to a rounding error in my mind so what's the big deal?

Bloviator wrote:
greenfan wrote:
So what's your grand plan for cracking this supposed cheating scandal? If it's so obvious he cut the course then how come there hasn't been a DQ? For a race director of an established official marathon to come to such conclusion only means there was a thorough comb through of any possible evidence out there. As far as I'm concerned he didn't cheat and it's clear there's a poor attempt at a witch hunt. Do you feel proud of yourself for coming on here trying to defame this guy? He already paid a price for something he wasn't found guilty of. I hope most see the truth and realize he's just an average guy who busted his butt and made something special happen. What are you doing to improve your life?
I know, I know, I shouldn't feed the trolls. You would need to ask the RD why. Perhaps if you could think for yourself might be a start. Why not try reading this article about marathon cheating and how some RD's dont DQ. It is not unprecedented for whatever the reason. So sit back, drink your Kool-Aid and try to read the following. I know it is long has some big words in it and perhaps doesn't have enough pictures for you, but try to get through it.
http://www.runnersworld.com/racing/how-common-is-cheating-at-marathons
I am sure you will still see fit to bend over for Mike as he say's squeal like a pig.....

10 years ago 06/30/2015 2:22pm EDT

re: greenfan

It starts with your self-important letter. Your willingness to use press and the threat of attorneys helps (do you have an attorney or did you illegally impersonate one?) Your constant posts here don't help.

On the plus side, your hair.

10 years ago 06/30/2015 2:28pm EDT

re: Hi Mike

I don't know Mike personally but from reading some of the posts here he's just an average hard working guy trying to do good things. Should he be dragged to a public square and stoned for being falsely accused of cheating?

Hi Mike wrote:
It starts with your self-important letter. Your willingness to use press and the threat of attorneys helps (do you have an attorney or did you illegally impersonate one?) Your constant posts here don't help.
On the plus side, your hair.

10 years ago 06/30/2015 2:29pm EDT

re: Bravo

Bravo wrote:
B McKeever wrote:
Open Letter to Marathon and running community:
We encourage you to continue your training for this year's marathon and to sign up if you haven't already. it will be a great year and we have many changes to improve the overall experience.
In response to some recent submissions we are receiving relating to the 2014 marathon, please be advised of the following. We assembled a panel of experts to review any concerns, we're no strangers to running, you know the rules and so do I. A healthy Marathon raising money for charity is what we are thinking of. A lot of races would not even have looked at results that far back, but we did, you wouldn't get this from any other race. At this point, we just wanna tell you how we're feeling, and try to make you understand.
Many of you seem to feel that you are never gonna give up, it is our intent to never let runners down. At VIA we are not going to do the run around and desert you. Many of you are crying that the results tell a lie and hurt you. Our heart aches for the marathon and charity community but it has gone on too long, it is time to heal, all of us feel that we know what's been going on. Some of you seem to know think it is a game and you're gonna play it, but you're too blind to see you are hurting our community. We do consider and review anything sent to us but will not always respond or acknowledge acceptance.
We will have no further comment and have to say goodbye.
Well done, might as well have some fun in here while we are all awaiting the inevitable DQ.

We're no strangers to love

You know the rules and so do I

A full commitment's what I'm thinking of

You wouldn't get this from any other guy

I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling

Gotta make you understand

Never gonna give you up

Never gonna let you down

Never gonna run around and desert you

Never gonna make you cry

Never gonna say goodbye

Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

We've known each other for so long

Your heart's been aching, but

You're too shy to say it

Inside, we both know what's been going on

We know the game and we're gonna play it

And if you ask me how I'm feeling

Don't tell me you're too blind to see

Never gonna give you up

Never gonna let you down

Never gonna run around and desert you

Never gonna make you cry

Never gonna say goodbye

Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

Never gonna give you up

Never gonna let you down

Never gonna run around and desert you

Never gonna make you cry

Never gonna say goodbye

Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

(Ooh, give you up)

Never gonna give, never gonna give

(Give you up)

Never gonna give, never gonna give

(Give you up)

We've known each other for so long

Your heart's been aching, but

You're too shy to say it

Inside, we both know what's been going on

We know the game and we're gonna play it

I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling

Gotta make you understand

Never gonna give you up

Never gonna let you down

Never gonna run around and desert you

Never gonna make you cry

Never gonna say goodbye

Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

Never gonna give you up

Never gonna let you down

Never gonna run around and desert you

Never gonna make you cry

Never gonna say goodbye

Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

Never gonna give you up

Never gonna let you down

Never gonna run around and desert you

Never gonna make you cry

Never gonna say goodbye

Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

10 years ago 06/30/2015 2:30pm EDT

re: greenfan

[quote]greenfan wrote:

[quote]

Why do you care?

There is no witch hunt here. Plus he is free to provide evidence he was on the course because there is ample evidence he was not.

No surprise that this amount to a rounding error in your mind as the bar is not set too high. I would be surprised if you could round at all.

10 years ago 06/30/2015 2:37pm EDT

re: greenfan

greenfan wrote:
I don't know Mike personally but from reading some of the posts here he's just an average hard working guy trying to do good things. Should he be dragged to a public square and stoned for being falsely accused of cheating?
Hi Mike wrote:
It starts with your self-important letter. Your willingness to use press and the threat of attorneys helps (do you have an attorney or did you illegally impersonate one?) Your constant posts here don't help.
On the plus side, your hair.

Yes

10 years ago 06/30/2015 2:38pm EDT

re: greenfan

greenfan wrote:
I don't know Mike personally but from reading some of the posts here he's just an average hard working guy trying to do good things. Should he be dragged to a public square and stoned for being falsely accused of cheating?
Hi Mike wrote:
It starts with your self-important letter. Your willingness to use press and the threat of attorneys helps (do you have an attorney or did you illegally impersonate one?) Your constant posts here don't help.
On the plus side, your hair.

Now you just lied because you must know him and adore him. I am hard pressed to figure out how you could determine or conclude based on, as you said - "...but from reading some of the posts here he's just an average hard working guy trying to do good things."

I am not sure how by reading a some posts HERE that anyone could conclude that he is an average hard working guy trying to do good things.

Also, no one here is dragging anyone to a public square or stoning anyone. He is free to provide the pictures he so infamously claims to have showing himself on the course. But he has chosen not to just like anyone who lies and cheats does.

10 years ago 06/30/2015 2:41pm EDT

re: Bloviator

A couple of weeks ago I added a comment to an article about Mike Rossi. I called him a cheater.

Yesterday I posted a picture on my Facebook of my son who has broken his leg.

Today I noticed that Mike Rossi (whom I don't know in real life) liked this picture.

WTF?

10 years ago 06/30/2015 2:43pm EDT

re: JohnP

JohnP wrote:
A couple of weeks ago I added a comment to an article about Mike Rossi. I called him a cheater.
Yesterday I posted a picture on my Facebook of my son who has broken his leg.
Today I noticed that Mike Rossi (whom I don't know in real life) liked this picture.
WTF?

Don't know what to say.

10 years ago 06/30/2015 2:43pm EDT

re: JohnP

JohnP wrote:
A couple of weeks ago I added a comment to an article about Mike Rossi. I called him a cheater.
Yesterday I posted a picture on my Facebook of my son who has broken his leg.
Today I noticed that Mike Rossi (whom I don't know in real life) liked this picture.
WTF?

Perhaps you should ask Rossi, WTF?

10 years ago 06/30/2015 2:47pm EDT

re: Bloviator

From what I've read here he's constantly attacked and so is his family for some reason. Some people seem to be really stalking him and resorting to contacting people he works with. It doesn't seem if he provided any of his evidence that people here would believe him, they'd probably cry conspiracy. I think a lot of you have simply convinced yourselves he's guilty and you're not able to think clearly. The fact that he's not coming on here and posting and trying to argue with a mob speaks highly of him. I guess I would be above it all too if I were in his shoes (more important things to focus on in life). Anyway, glad to see some justice being done and this thread removed from the site. I hope the owners continue to do the right thing.

Bloviator wrote:
greenfan wrote:
I don't know Mike personally but from reading some of the posts here he's just an average hard working guy trying to do good things. Should he be dragged to a public square and stoned for being falsely accused of cheating?
Now you just lied because you must know him and adore him. I am hard pressed to figure out how you could determine or conclude based on, as you said - "...but from reading some of the posts here he's just an average hard working guy trying to do good things."
I am not sure how by reading a some posts HERE that anyone could conclude that he is an average hard working guy trying to do good things.
Also, no one here is dragging anyone to a public square or stoning anyone. He is free to provide the pictures he so infamously claims to have showing himself on the course. But he has chosen not to just like anyone who lies and cheats does.

10 years ago 06/30/2015 2:50pm EDT

re: JohnP

Well, take note that he has changed his Facebook photo to Liam Neeson from Taken. Apparently Mike has ways to find people. He's trying to intimidate you.

Fvck him. He's a fvcking cheater and overall POS.

10 years ago 06/30/2015 2:53pm EDT

re: greenfan

Some people seem to be really stalking him and resorting to contacting people he works with - SAYS THE MAN WHO CLAIMS HE DOESN'T KNOW HIM. Geez, if I didn't know any better I would say you are Mike.

Ironic because he said the exact same thing to me, that is - " It doesn't seem if he provided any of his evidence that people here would believe him."

10 years ago 06/30/2015 2:58pm EDT

re: abingtonrunner2

abingtonrunner2 wrote:
The fact is that the evidence collected to date is conclusive and easily crosses the threshold to DQ Rossi. Yes, the LVHN Committee and/or the Race Director willfully choose to ignore the evidence that was available. While we do not know exactly what was "reviewed, we do know that they only thing they considered was the "accuracy" of his time based on their statement.
Specifically, their only statement regarding evidence was "there is not conclusive evidence that his time in the 2014 LVHN Via Marathon is inaccurate." Well, duh, of course there was no conclusive evidence about his time because there were no timing mats. However, there was no mention about any photos or lack thereof or the review of any photos. Those time stamped photos and the lack of any for Mr. Rossi is as conclusive evidence that his time is inaccurate as any other evidence would provide. Not to even address the lack of photos is telling on several levels.
We also know that they did not contact or speak with any other race participants, especially the ones that finished close to him.
Most importantly, they made no positive attribution to Mr. Rossi - they did not say that his time was accurate (instead no evidence that it was inaccurate) and they did not say that he ran the entire race. Why not? Because if they had said either of those and were challenged, they knew that they could not provide any evidence to support that his time was accurate (lack of timing mats and lack of photographs) and no evidence to support that he ran the 26.2 miles. Instead, they issued their negative and supportable statement and took the easy way out.
While new evidence would be nice, I am convinced that any would help since we don't know what they consider evidence, if not the absence of even one-stamped photo is not evidence enough. What would they consider conclusive evidence? Therefore the next best thing is for those runners of the LVHNVia to push the issue, which is what I am working on by getting as many of the runners to collectively call for a thorough review, transparency/information and ultimately, a DQ. It is a slow process, but surely worth the effort.

Friggin amazing that there's still idiots out there prepared to write big long diatribes of BS like this.

By the way which evidence group do belong to, I might have something new.

10 years ago 06/30/2015 3:03pm EDT

re: Bloviator

Suffering from paranoia? That's what I mean about posters here, no one is credible and no evidence proving his guilt has been offered. The facts stand that he received his BQ time and there were absolutely no grounds to DQ him. Surely someone would have seen him step off the course in a major marathon like that. Weren't hundreds of people asked if they saw anything unusual? They did a thorough investigation and the facts remain. Whoever is trying to defame him here should get out there and work just as hard and see that improving a lot can happen with smart training.

Bloviator wrote:
Some people seem to be really stalking him and resorting to contacting people he works with - SAYS THE MAN WHO CLAIMS HE DOESN'T KNOW HIM. Geez, if I didn't know any better I would say you are Mike.
Ironic because he said the exact same thing to me, that is - " It doesn't seem if he provided any of his evidence that people here would believe him."

10 years ago 06/30/2015 3:14pm EDT

re: JohnP

JohnP wrote:
A couple of weeks ago I added a comment to an article about Mike Rossi. I called him a cheater.
Yesterday I posted a picture on my Facebook of my son who has broken his leg.
Today I noticed that Mike Rossi (whom I don't know in real life) liked this picture.
WTF?

That's messed up

10 years ago 06/30/2015 3:18pm EDT

re: greenfan

greenfan wrote:
Suffering from paranoia? That's what I mean about posters here, no one is credible and no evidence proving his guilt has been offered. The facts stand that he received his BQ time and there were absolutely no grounds to DQ him. Surely someone would have seen him step off the course in a major marathon like that. Weren't hundreds of people asked if they saw anything unusual? They did a thorough investigation and the facts remain. Whoever is trying to defame him here should get out there and work just as hard and see that improving a lot can happen with smart training.

That's it - keep it up! People need to be reminded that Mike Rossi is also a POS, he's not just a cheater! Well done you! Next time, just a suggestion, you should also try to convince people that the Earth is flat and there is no definitive proof it's round! Who other than a POS would say this ridiculous crap and expect people to swallow it? (There is a ton of evidence that shows there is no possibility he ran a 3:11 marathon and you'd have to be insane to even consider that he might have done that.)

Thanks greenfan - good work on this offensive crap - remember everyone, Mike is a cheater AND a POS. We tend to forget the POS part.

10 years ago 06/30/2015 3:21pm EDT

re: JohnP

JohnP wrote:
A couple of weeks ago I added a comment to an article about Mike Rossi. I called him a cheater.
Yesterday I posted a picture on my Facebook of my son who has broken his leg.
Today I noticed that Mike Rossi (whom I don't know in real life) liked this picture.
WTF?

I think it's incredibly creepy that he would post something on your Facebook page if he doesn't know you.

Which, by the way, is exactly what you did.

10 years ago 06/30/2015 3:21pm EDT

re: greenfan

always seemed unfair that people expect someone who completed a race over a year ago is supposed to now prove they did it. I think the marathon should have to prove they did not. Also seems there should be a reasonable time after which things stand. I have no idea if anyone did or did not run a certain distance in a certain time but just seems unfair if the guy is in the video and at the finish and his bib registered at the beginning and end then how can you DQ him? Because you say he wasn't capable of that? No way you can know that, 3:11 is not that fast and someone could do that. Some people crank that out easy their first time. Because he is not in photos? troubling and maybe suspicious but come on, a year later and that is the determinant? Where in the rules does it say you must be photographed on the course or be subject to a DQ? even if the guy was photographed on the course most of you would still deny he did it just because that is what you want to believe

this thread is really a mean-spirited joke with a lot of obsessive and weird behavior

10 years ago 06/30/2015 3:26pm EDT

re: only God knows

This thread is really crawling to the finish line unlike Mike who looked fresh at the LVM.

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