Merry Christmas to everyone
Merry Christmas to everyone
A basic summary of Haile's running from a few years ago was something like this:
Monday: AM: 51km/32mi 3hr long run (5:40/mi) PM: 1hr easy
Tuesday: AM: 1hr30min PM: 1hr easy
Wednesday: AM: Hard 15-30km road run PM: 1hr easy
Thursday: AM: Sprint work (ie, 16x60m) PM: 1hr easy
Friday: AM: 20x400m hills PM: 1hr easy
Saturday: AM: Specific track work as needed PM: 1hr easy
Sunday: 1hr very easy
A guy who trained with Haile in Addis A. said that the Laufen with Haile book exaggerates Gebres training, that his recovery runs are usually shorter than 1h and the total mileage doesnt exceed 130mpw, i also heard/read that the 3h run was just an occasional workout in preparation for London 03(that was about the time when the book was written).
Thats what he told to Powerbar(probably the training when he was preparing for 5k-10k):
Monday:
1. Fartlek-hilly terrain 60 Min./17km
2. Recovery run 50 Min./12 km
Tuesday:
1.Moderate Distance 70 Min./18 km
2.Easy Distance 10 km + 10x 100m
Wednesday:
Warm-up/Cool-Dowm + Temporun 48 Min./15km
Thursday:
1.Moderate Distance 80 Min./20 km
2.Easy Distance 10 km + Weighttraining 60 Min
Friday:
1.Distance 75 Min./18 km
2.Easy Distance 10 km + 10x 100m
Samstags:
1.Track: 6x 2000 m, 5:40 Min. – 3Min
Recovery
2. Recovery 43 Min./10 km
Sonntags:
Long-Run 90 Min./25 km.
Trackhead and Wello:
That stuff seems inconsistent with other articles and what was written in his new book. First we do not know if this is the competitive season or not, or how his marathon training compares to track season. Second he said he was on the track 3 times per week and neither of those schedules shows that. Most of his routes are not measurable. He said nothing about sprinting 60's either.
Bottom line is that Renato could probably tell us more than we know because he apparently speaks with Jos Hermens.
Ethiop,
Without a doubt, Haile's specific work will vary with the time of year.
Will this thread reach 1,000? Or will Wejo "wack" it first?
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Will this thread reach 1,000? Or will Wejo "wack" it first?
Has Wejo deleted threads before that reached 1,000?
If he deleted this one I would leave this board for good. This is a fantastic training discussion.
With regards to Haile, trackhead, did you copy that schedule from Laufen Mit Haile? Renato said in one of his posts that the Ethiopians use spikes on the track once every week for 60m sprints flat-out. I am surprised he has not employed similar (granted, his short sprints uphill work on explosivity, but not with the same muscular contractions of a flat sprint in spikes on a track, particularly in terms of combining stride rate and length).
Also, do you have those articles Renato sent to you? You posted a few once. I seem to remember that part of them involved potential 800m and 1500m times off of 400m sprint times. If you have time that would be good to see those.
Bump for trackhead
Someone should save this thread or put it on a server in case, but I cannot imagine why Wejo would delete it. I sincerely doubt he would do that for any conceivable reason.
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That article about Songkok reminds me that Renato is probably going to have potential medalists in almost every middle to long distance event in this year's World Championships in Helsinki:
800: Yiampoy, Bungei, Mutua
1500: Kwalia
3000SC: Shaheen
5000: Kwalia or Shaheen (I cannot understand personally why Shaheen leaves the steeple and does not go with the 5K; he ran 12:48 and beat El Guerrouj. Few have ever run faster or beaten a bigger name)
10,000: Kemboi, Hassan, Kiprop
So a big year possibly for all those guys in Iten.
Renato, Can you post some more work of your athletes in their preperation for the winter season?
Wello, when have you seen Gebrselassie go through the 1500 in 3:45 and "start struggling and tying up"?
Highly doubtful considering his PR is 7:25 and he would need to be in good control at least at halfway at a slower pace. I've seen him race too and I remember him passing through 1500 in Oslo 1998 in about 3:39-3:40. No struggling to be seen of. He slowed beceause he was dragging Keyans with him when the pacemaker dropped out and he wanted to be sure of winning, but then he dropped a last 400 of 54.37.
Renato, will Kemboi be prepared this year for Helsinki, or has he lost time again as with last year when he started his work too late? Also, what do you make of the questions asked about the Ethiopians.
Interested to hear your thoughts.
Mr. Canova, are you acquainted with the Italian coach John Hadd? He posted a great deal of information on this board a few years ago (some can be read at this address:
). He coached also younger inexperienced athletes and used a system like Van Aaken's. His results were very good as he made many runners stronger (better able to use what speed they had) with slower easy runs, because many ran too fast (using heart rate monitors).
You said this was contrary to a top athlete's work, but naturally because top athletes have good ratios between performances (i.e., a 48 second 400m runner can run 48+4= 52 per 400 for the 800, 52+4= 56 per 400 for the 1500, 56+4= 60 per 400 for the 3,000, 60+4= 64 per 400 for the 5,000 or even faster)?
An additional note. In speaking about John Korir using ramps you mentioned the length is normally 40m, sometimes 20m. But in another message you spoke about Selina Kosgei needing basic strength and using ramps of 60m-80m, seemingly, a long distance to sprint up such a steep grade. I have a young athlete needing to work on speed (very slight build, thin, can run 21 seconds for 150m in his weekly session of speed but never has been able to run faster for basic speed, like 18-19 seconds that is needed to be among the best high schoolers at the 800m-1600m). He uses the short sprints uphill you have recommended with good frequency, needing a little work, but I am deciding whether or not to use ramps with him also to see if he can take more time off his 150m sprint (and by extension, his 400m, 800m, 1500m, etc. getting faster so long distance speeds are easier if he can run 1-2 seconds faster over 150m). It could be he needs to grow, but already he can run 21 and he used to run 25 for the last, which is run fastest. I use this session normally once per week in summer and winter when not competing for track and cross-country. It is progressive with several sets of 150m strides (2-3 sets, 6 repetitions) getting faster. Your advice is appreciated.
Pietro
Hadd doesn´t exist as a human being or a coach. This is simply a John Kellogg nickname and a pseudonimous that ables him to post in a diferent training prespective than their own most common training concepts.
Anyone ever seen Hadd ? No one. John Kellogg did build a fictionnal profile that he named "Hadd", saying that he lives(ed) in Rome, but this means simply that the place where he lives in Texas is in south of Rome - because there are several Romes in Texas as ther are several Paris or Lisbon in Texas. so you may read south of Rome in Texas.
This is the reason why Hadd disapeared from posting here, or if he posts or write an article, you will never know who he is really because he doesn´t exists. Hadd is another "ego" of Kellogg.
Antonio Cabral wrote:
Pietro
Hadd doesn´t exist as a human being or a coach. This is simply a John Kellogg nickname and a pseudonimous that ables him to post in a diferent training prespective than their own most common training concepts.
Anyone ever seen Hadd ? No one. John Kellogg did build a fictionnal profile that he named "Hadd", saying that he lives(ed) in Rome, but this means simply that the place where he lives in Texas is in south of Rome - because there are several Romes in Texas as ther are several Paris or Lisbon in Texas. so you may read south of Rome in Texas.
This is the reason why Hadd disapeared from posting here, or if he posts or write an article, you will never know who he is really because he doesn´t exists. Hadd is another "ego" of Kellogg.
Antonio, where on earth do you come up with this (false) idea?
I have spoken to both and they are indeed two completely different people. The co-creator of this site, Weldon Johnson, did not even know who Hadd was until he started some gigantic threads. Yet Weldon's John Kellogg. I think Weldon would know if his own coach was posting under this name, specifically because he has access to all poster's Internet Portal (IP) address.
Additionally, Hadd advocated a training system of great differenr from Kellogg's. Hadd was a Van Aaken follower who came up with some fairly precise tests regarding lactate levels and improving speeds at different heart rates. If you read one of his generic schedules versus one of John Kellogg's schedules they are completely different.
The only common element is a stress on aerobic development, and even that is gone about being achieved quite differently.
So I do not follow how you are so sure about something totally false. Read his posts and read Kellogg's and you will see: completely and totally different people, one from Texas, one from Italy.
Mr. Cabral I am surprised to hear you say this. I have communicated with both through e-mail and they are two people. Do you have some dislike for Mr. Kellogg? I am still interested in someone's reply for my athlete of the 21 second 150 about what I wrote above. Happy New year to all.
Racer 1 and Pietro
Up to this point all that you say i did that information and i did read and did study all Hadd´s and Kellog´s posts several times.
I i also know there are 2 different e-mails that you have access. or watever but untill i don´t see thir ID i keep on thinking that are the same person.
I could "enumerate" all sentences and concepts from both that they quote the same source, they write in the same language style (which is the most hard to catch), despite both ideas and concepts that change a bit according the focus issue they are posting - Kellogs simply posts articles from average to top class runners, and The suposed Hadd did post some more critical "outside" experiences-.
One of the two cases, or they are the same man (Hadd undercover for fettuchinni and that lived in south of Rome, that´s where dallas is really South of Rome, or one plagiates the other - so many are the quotes, the net references etc. This is a great fictional running story.
I myself i´m able to build a someone personality and ask of a english or USA friend to post some of my ideas and youy will think that´s not me !
The fact that "they" made you think that they are different trainig concepts is really a happy surprise to Sherlock Holmes investigate.
Anyone of you saw both alive?
Some things are for sure:
1. He is an american and not italian
2. His real name is not "John Hadd", google on John Hadd and you will find nothing about a running coach or something like that, except for the info provided at letsrun.com copied into html.
I could be Kellogg...