Jakob 3:30!!

nordic viking Valhalla wrote:

JAKOB SUB 330 IN MONACO!!!!!!

lets gooooo

lol pathetic as usual, PS.

Coevett wrote:

Sandnes wrote:

He's run under 50sec many, many times in training. Why would you even say such a silly thing?????

Because he's crazy. Funny how the likes of Spade Detector don't call out such clear stupidity when it's directed against a European athlete.

Jakob only has one 400m race listed on his IAAF profile - a 51.03 back in 2017 when he was 16 and his 1500 pb was 3:39. I think it's fair to assume he could run sub 50 quite easily today.

I also don't see what's suspicious about his 'slow' 400 speed. Steve Cram ran 3:29 and 3:47 with a 49 second 400m pb and Jakob is a 1500/5000 runner.

You're assuming quite a lot to sayJakob could beat 50 secs today, from a previous best of over 51. He isn't naturally fast. You can see that from how he races. He has endurance but no real kick. Cram was considerably faster - he ran sub-1.43 over 800 - and had a powerful sustained kick. I have read he could run sub-23 over 200. I would be surprised if Jakob could get anywhere near that. I doubt he could get anywhere near 49 for 400 - maybe just dip under 50. No one ever said that Cram lacked basic speed, but the Ingebrigtsen's father and coach says that about his boys. For the kind of speed Jakob has (or lacks) runners were at least 5 or more secs slower over 1500 back in the day. He has phenomenal stamina. As do his brothers. A bit like some of the Africans.

jeff tallon wrote:

jakob is the male version of yinglai yang,and lili yin.two 18 year old chinese teen phenoms who ran 3.51.44 and 3.53.91,in 1997.totally impossible 1500 meter times for teenage girls.lets hope he dissapears as quickly as they did.the fact that hes never broken 50 seconds for 400 is very strange in itself.

You disgusting POS racist. I hope you disappear faster than a raving dissident during Soviet times. I seriously hope you're disappeared.

pos racists wrote:

jeff tallon wrote:

jakob is the male version of yinglai yang,and lili yin.two 18 year old chinese teen phenoms who ran 3.51.44 and 3.53.91,in 1997.totally impossible 1500 meter times for teenage girls.lets hope he dissapears as quickly as they did.the fact that hes never broken 50 seconds for 400 is very strange in itself.

You disgusting POS racist. I hope you disappear faster than a raving dissident during Soviet times. I seriously hope you're disappeared.

How is that statement racist? It's distasteful, sure; but certainly not racist.

no one will remember you,and ill still be here.bye felecia.

Armstronglivs wrote:

You're assuming quite a lot to sayJakob could beat 50 secs today, from a previous best of over 51. He isn't naturally fast. You can see that from how he races. He has endurance but no real kick. Cram was considerably faster - he ran sub-1.43 over 800 - and had a powerful sustained kick. I have read he could run sub-23 over 200. I would be surprised if Jakob could get anywhere near that. I doubt he could get anywhere near 49 for 400 - maybe just dip under 50. No one ever said that Cram lacked basic speed, but the Ingebrigtsen's father and coach says that about his boys. For the kind of speed Jakob has (or lacks) runners were at least 5 or more secs slower over 1500 back in the day. He has phenomenal stamina. As do his brothers. A bit like some of the Africans.

I don't think so. He chopped 1 and 1/2 seconds off his 800m each year (didn't run it last year) but I've heard the same arguments that his 800m would still be 1:49 now as it was in 2017 (in one race).

He did't look slow when he came from near the back to finish second in 3:30 the other day in the last lap.

Ingebrigtsens run very high mileage, way more than it seems Cram. In the same interview in which he says his boys 'lack natural speed', Gjert claims they run over 120 miles a week. And people (including here) do say that Cram lacked speed compared to Coe and Ovett. Cram himself has said it. Gjert's comment can mean anything. He might just be pointing out that they don't have the raw speed of Ryun, Coe, Ovett.. He might also just be - quite naturally - wanting to claim the credit as coach. Or he might simply be playing mind games with the opposition. Again, Jakob doesn't look slow to me when he's making up tens of meters on the world class guys ahead of him at the bell. I realize that's largely him pacing the race better than the others, but still..

TBH, Jakob looks very similar to Cram when he was still developing and making up ground on Coe, Ovett, Scott around 80/81. When Jakob is running 3:26 and winning these races, his last lap will look exactly what it is - a long, sustained kick.

He gets outkicked in a slow race by a 1:43 800m guy like Lewandowski...when he's ran 3 races in 48 hours or is recovering from a heavy cold virus...but then everybody gets outkicked by Lewandowski in a slow race.

The 'Jakob has slow raw speed' assumption is likely as unfounded as the 'Jakob has reached his peak' LetsRun trope. I'm sure he has more raw speed than, for example, Mo Farah.

The thing that was very suspicious about some of the EPO era guys - above all El G - was that they appeared natural middle-distance 800/1500 guys and trained like them (and Coe) but couldn't run a fast 800 yet could run sensational 5000m times and races. I don't think El G was running 120 miles+ a week.

That Jakob looks fast at the closing stages of a 1500 is largely because the other runners are tiring; he isn't really accelerating as much as he appears to be. The other runners he is passing or gaining on are fading. He largely works his way up through the field from some way back. It is his strength that is superior: not his pace.

I have my doubts about a runner who can achieve top elite times over middle distance with only very modest basic speed; it requires strength and endurance of a much greater degree than his typically faster competitors. This is compounded by my understanding that strength and stamina of this kind takes years to develop and is unlikely to be found in a teenager.

Most of the great middle distance runners in the past, say from Elliott and Snell and Ryun, to Coe, Ovett and Cram were naturally quite fast and effective over the shorter 2-lap race. Amongst them, only Ryun was a top competitor as a teenager - he was a world record holder at 19 - and he was much better at 19 than he was at 17 and 18. Jakob already far exceeds him at 17 and 18 (yeah, modern tracks) and yet is clearly much slower than the 47sec 400 and 1.44xx 800 runner that Ryun was. Jakob is therefore running much closer to his basic speed than these earlier guys, which says he has greater endurance than some of the very best to have competed over these distances. At only 18.

It is in the later EPO era that we frequently saw runners with less natural pace able to dominate at the 1500/mile. This is still observable today, which is one of the many reasons I believe doping continues much as it has, albeit with greater disguise and sophistication.

Jakob looks to me like John Walker, with a better, more refined technique and a hair cut. Both were tall, solid, and extreme aerobic fitness.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Jakob looks to me like John Walker, with a better, more refined technique and a hair cut. Both were tall, solid, and extreme aerobic fitness.

Walker was much quicker - he had 22.7 sec 200 speed, 1.44xx 800 speed and was renowned for his kick. Jakob couldn't have beaten top 800 guys with his kick off a slow pace, as Walker did at Montreal. He was also bigger. And a lot older. Jakob reminds me more of someone like El G, who ran better off sustained pace. But El G was a more natural and smoother-looking runner. Among other things.

ya, walker was 22 mid for 200m but that was at 18 years old and not trained as a springer,

then went on to do mile training and the 800 m time was off that.

the times for speed for a jacob or anyone else at 1500 m for 400m are pretty meaningless.

sure on a given day, jacob might be hard pressed to break 52 for 400m, but again that is meaningless.

when he's sharp, you certainly will see 50 and if he does the right work it's 49x easy.

what coe's dad did was hit the speed and cross training that made for the 800m wr.

walker never did that. his 350 mile was not even close to peak, nor was his speed training on a par with a coe.

with a jacob, he's going to be capable of 48 high 400m. at least.

unless hes going for 5000m.

depends on the training.