The Guardian: How the 'Natural Talent' Myth is Used as a Weapon Against Black Athletes

Querfeldein wrote:

quite this nonsense wrote:

Who cares. We can and should end this by removing any non Europeans from Europe and shipping back to their respective holes and having a large separate state in North America for whites [...]

Perfect. Ship "non Europeans" out of Europe, but keep whites in the US? Makes total sense.

Whites are the founding population of the United States.

Well, that neatly gets rid of the indigenous Indian population, who were there somewhat before the Mayflower. Idiot.

If altitude is so important, where are the Bolivian and Nepalese superstars?

El Keniano wrote:

If altitude is so important, where are the Bolivian and Nepalese superstars?

Peru is starting to have success at the marathon.

Altitude is a factor but may not determine success without a physiological type suited to distance running, and a culture that fosters the sport. The latter development didn't occur in East Africa until the mid to late 60's. In the absence of a sports culture, other high altitude regions are unlikely to develop a significant pool of distance athletes. But, of course, the great equaliser today is doping, which can compensate for the advantage of living and training at altitude - unless altitude-based athletes are themselves also doping.

El Keniano wrote:

If altitude is so important, where are the Bolivian and Nepalese superstars?

Are you really that dense? Just because something is a factor doesn't mean it's the only factor. That's basic comprehension. Do you deny the science that being born/raised at altitude for years is advantageous to endurance events?

Livstrong7 wrote:

The undoubted genetic advantage that athletes of West African descent have in the speed events is without question. But that is a different body type from the East Africans, who are more clearly suited to the distance events. However, their advantage over other racial types may have as much to do with living at altitude than genetic advantage. Thus Caucasian - and a few Asian - athletes have often been able to compete on a par in the distance events, with comparable training. (This is not so in the sprints). What we don't know is how much the bias in favour of any particular racial type has been skewed by the incidence of doping in the countries those athletes have come from or reside in. We do know some countries are poorer at anti-doping control than others.

Look up sickle cell anemia and West Africa.

El Keniano wrote:

If altitude is so important, where are the Bolivian and Nepalese superstars?

Those countries are not ideal for distance runner as the mountainous jagged peaks. Kenya and Ethiopia are high but on a plateau.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

BROFESSOR wrote:

First, lefties deny genetics and IQ. Than they deny gender. Now they are denying that genetics matter in sports. Not a conservative, but it's funny how the lefties made fun of conservatives as being anti-science.

Where does this come from? I'm liberal and believe every sport is 100% talent driven. To believe otherwise is an insult to anyone that trained or practiced hard, but never reached the top level. I trained as hard as I possibly could, but only managed a 14:50 5K.

Do you have a link to an article about liberals scoffing at talent?

Well played, getting both your school and your 5K PR into a thread about race in professional sports. A real gem!

BROFESSOR wrote:

First, lefties deny genetics and IQ. Than they deny gender. Now they are denying that genetics matter in sports. Not a conservative, but it's funny how the lefties made fun of conservatives as being anti-science.

^^^^

Great post with one addendum. They are all into genetics when it comes to Darwin and trying to prove Chrsitianity is a farce.

Grenio wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Where does this come from? I'm liberal and believe every sport is 100% talent driven. To believe otherwise is an insult to anyone that trained or practiced hard, but never reached the top level. I trained as hard as I possibly could, but only managed a 14:50 5K.

Do you have a link to an article about liberals scoffing at talent?

Well played, getting both your school and your 5K PR into a thread about race in professional sports. A real gem!

I think when looking into arguments like these. One would be compelled to explain how it relates to them and why they feel a certain way.

In my years of running as a black distance runner two moments have always bothered me.

1st one was in tenth grade at a private mostly white christian school. I was the 2nd fastest runner on the team(still very very very slow trust me barely cracking 18 on average) and one of my teammates said it wasn't fair that I had been running my whole life. When I really began running in 9th grade with him. Sad thing is everyone agreed with him outside of the coach and the fastest guy(sub 15:20).

The other time was during my freshman xc season in college. A teammate of mine said that black people have an extra muscle that white people don't have. I looked at him like he was crazy but at the table everyone was acting as if that could've been true. Of course I proved him to be wrong later. Point is There really are people out there with the mindset that athletes of color don't have to work hard.

I am on both sides. Genetics definitely has a role in track especially on the professional level but I am a firm believer that hard work can definitely equal the playing field. I will never say someone beat me because they are just more gifted than me.

rojo wrote:

BROFESSOR wrote:

First, lefties deny genetics and IQ. Than they deny gender. Now they are denying that genetics matter in sports. Not a conservative, but it's funny how the lefties made fun of conservatives as being anti-science.

^^^^

Great post with one addendum. They are all into genetics when it comes to Darwin and trying to prove Chrsitianity is a farce.

Spot on, they use Darwin to justify state socialism but if there is one thing Darwin was opposed to and it was collectivism.

Livstrong7 wrote:

The undoubted genetic advantage that athletes of West African descent have in the speed events is without question. But that is a different body type from the East Africans, who are more clearly suited to the distance events. However, their advantage over other racial types may have as much to do with living at altitude than genetic advantage. Thus Caucasian - and a few Asian - athletes have often been able to compete on a par in the distance events, with comparable training. (This is not so in the sprints). What we don't know is how much the bias in favour of any particular racial type has been skewed by the incidence of doping in the countries those athletes have come from or reside in. We do know some countries are poorer at anti-doping control than others.

It is pretty obvious, interestingly though no male West African has won an Olympic sprint medal, though I think Nigerian women won a 4 x 100m bronze at one stage. In a BBC documentary Michael Johnson touched on a very politically incorrect topic that descendants of slaves are genetically superior. Johnson even speculated that Jamaicans maybe even more superior. But then I'm not sure about the evidence of this and Jamaica had virtually no domestic blood testing. The other one was white women from the Eastern Bloc were streaks ahead of women from other places with access to the same drugs over 400m.

El Keniano wrote:

shattered delusions wrote:

These are MY indisputable facts:

1) Altitude based runners have an advantage in a mid distance race at altitude compared to sea level based runners.

2) Kenya has a doping problem more prevalent than America’s track and field athletes.

Maybe you are allergic to facts, but that doesn’t make these any less accurate.

Skipped a word, bro.

Wait, you disagree regarding these two? Especially nr 1 surprise me, even for you.

Problem with this good review is that you'll never se El Keniano agreeing to this. It would go against his pride to admit this.

El Keniano wrote:

First the problem was, “Kenyans don’t get tested” or “don’t get tested enough”. That argument no longer holds water thanks to ADAK and the new lab where, unlike America, actual cheaters aregetting caught. Now it’s « I just feel it in my gut that most Kenyans are dirty. Only the smiling, media-friendly ones look clean to me ». Segues perfectly into the third part of this discussion. Black athletes have to present a certain way and be ultra nice and meek in order to be accepted and believed.

So now its a conspiracy theory that americans arent getting caught? The big african-hating WADA is letting the terrible druggies in America running 1.46 and 3.35 get away with their terrible abuse of PEDs, you seriously believe this?

Regarding the second part: Most people in here know many of the top athletes are doping, wether black or white. Most people have more trust in someone from countries with long term doping labs and testing. Kenya is starting to catch up, Ethiopia is not. Agreed?

The best 1500m runner the last 10 years, from Kenya, was just caught cheating. How do you think that affects people? Its the same as with cycling.

You do not understand people at all.

El Keniano wrote:

If altitude is so important, where are the Bolivian and Nepalese superstars?

So, you disagree with Renato and thinks altitude is NOT a factor, got that right?

rojo wrote:

BROFESSOR wrote:

First, lefties deny genetics and IQ. Than they deny gender. Now they are denying that genetics matter in sports. Not a conservative, but it's funny how the lefties made fun of conservatives as being anti-science.

^^^^

Great post with one addendum. They are all into genetics when it comes to Darwin and trying to prove Chrsitianity is a farce.

Rojo, you can hardly write, believes in a Christian God just because you were raised that way and voted for Trump.

Yeah. Save it.

Barakus Obama wrote:

rojo wrote:

^^^^

Great post with one addendum. They are all into genetics when it comes to Darwin and trying to prove Chrsitianity is a farce.

Rojo, you can hardly write, believes in a Christian God just because you were raised that way and voted for Trump.

Yeah. Save it.

Pretty sure both Brojos are never Trumpers, voted for Evan McMullen.