Jake Robertson wins Lisbon in 60:01!

I'm just not motivated enought to unearth quotes from 6months and further back for you when you are perfectly capable of doing it by yourself.

A simple search of this site should bring up some of those threads you have been uttering vile things in (unless they are deleted).

El Keniano wrote:

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My criticism of the Robertsons is legitimate. Nothing I've said on this thread isn't true. It's a failure of journalism to not point out that they've changed their tune about Kenya at least three times in just a few months given the seriousness of their allegations last year. If that doesn't call their credibility into question ...

I disagree that you've been completely legitimate. I think you fail to see if from their point of view. I'm not a fan of there type of personality, but they are to a degree badass who dared do what they did and also very good runners. But, imagine them being clean, not observing or observing and getting annoyed by others cheating. They work hard with other clean athletes/kenyans but see runners they know are cheating beating them. Its not strange that would make them emotional.

Regarding moving back to Kenya and "changing their tune", I agree that its a failure of journalism to not ask them about this.

Renato Canova wrote:

It was not right that Kenyans and Ethiopians top athletes were not tested. They were the most tested in the World (in 2014, 135 Kenyan in whereabouts for more than 400 tests OOC, including a high percentage with blood tests), the fact is that all these tests were carried out by WADA, with a very high cost, and of course WADA couldn't use 20% of the total budget for testing two Countries only.

This is not correct. There are countries wich tests more, that have their own anti-doping agency like WADA. An example is Norway. What you are referring to is only tests done by WADA.

Barakus Obama wrote:

I disagree that you've been completely legitimate. I think you fail to see if from their point of view. I'm not a fan of there type of personality, but they are to a degree badass who dared do what they did and also very good runners. But, imagine them being clean, not observing or observing and getting annoyed by others cheating. They work hard with other clean athletes/kenyans but see runners they know are cheating beating them. Its not strange that would make them emotional.

Regarding moving back to Kenya and "changing their tune", I agree that its a failure of journalism to not ask them about this.

You seem singularly willing to identify with them, their perspective and to take their word over any Kenyan runner's. I wonder why?

How many tests OOC there were in Norway ?

And how many athletes in whereabouts there are in Norway ?

You seem not to understand than there are more than 1500 Kenyan athletes running every where around the World. Every comparison with euroepan Countries (especially small Countries like Norway) is totally unfair.

That's a red herring. I did not claim that Kenya's success (and remember that Ethiopia wins a lot of the medals over Kenya) is due to doping. But there have been a LOT of doping positives from Kenya in the past few years. You don't have Geb, a 26:22 guy (and Hermens athlete, hence probable doper), running 2:03:59 as his pr and then all sorts of no name Kenyans with no track credentials to speak of running 2:03/4/5 every weekend.

You can't compare the idea Lydiard had about East Germany, and the idea I have with Kenyans. Arthur NEVER coached any Eastern German athlete, and his ideas were based on some talk with people involved in the situation of East Germany, who of course told him not the true, but some fake story.

Instead, I coached, and still coach, athletes who have some WR or are in the top 5 in the Worlds, in different events, and I well know everybody of them are clean.

If is true I have personal interests speaking about my athletes, of sure I don't have any personal interest in athletes trained by other coaches, and I say that ALL THE BEST ARE CLEAN (athletes of Brother Colm and Patrick Sang "in primis"). Speaking about these two coaches only (plus myself), I can say that Rudisha, Ronald Kwemoi, Caleb Ndiku, Geoffrey Kamworor, Eliud Kipchoge, Faith Kipyegon, Hyving Kiyeng, Florence Kiplagat, Abel Kirui, Stephen Kiprotich, Wilson Kipsang, Brimin Kipruto, Conseslus Kipruto, Jairus Birech, Thomas Longosiwa, Edwin Soi, Moses Mosop, Nicholas Kemboi, Saaeed Shaheen (only for giving some name of athletes coached by some of us), reached their medals and their record completely clean.

So, Lydiard SUPPOSED, I KNOW. I don't exclude the possibility somebody else can look at EPO or other PEDs, but honestly I don't think the above athletes could have run faster using EPO, and for that reason I don't give any importance to the thesis of Scientists speaking of EPO, without having any experience of training in altitude with the best in the world.

douglas burke wrote:

Unofficial time, but this could be first twins to run under an hour in career, his twin Zane ran 59:47 in Japan last year.

https://twitter.com/runninelvis/status/843425979691339776

60:01 isn't under an hour. Or even 60:00. Better luck next time.

El Keniano wrote:

Barakus Obama wrote:

I disagree that you've been completely legitimate. I think you fail to see if from their point of view. I'm not a fan of there type of personality, but they are to a degree badass who dared do what they did and also very good runners. But, imagine them being clean, not observing or observing and getting annoyed by others cheating. They work hard with other clean athletes/kenyans but see runners they know are cheating beating them. Its not strange that would make them emotional.

Regarding moving back to Kenya and "changing their tune", I agree that its a failure of journalism to not ask them about this.

You seem singularly willing to identify with them, their perspective and to take their word over any Kenyan runner's. I wonder why?

My point is: we just don't really know. You are extremely biased being a kenyan yourself, but you have not once seemed to try do identify with them and see things from their perspective, just because they have said negative things about Kenya. Thats no way to discuss any subject.

Renato Canova wrote:

You seem not to understand than there are more than 1500 Kenyan athletes running every where around the World. Every comparison with euroepan Countries (especially small Countries like Norway) is totally unfair.

Its unfair, sure. But if the amount of tests aren't as many as some other nations, you can't claim the kenyans have been tested the most. At least claim "tested the most by WADA".

Again, maybe. But EVERY coach will say his athletes are clean so there's no way to know if yours are or if you're just saying what every other coach says. The last athlete Arthur coached to an Olympic team was Liza Hunter Galvin who was banned for EPO use for a couple years. I don't know if she was using it when Arthur was coaching her, he was dead when she was caught, but I guarantee he wouldn't have known if she was. I'm not saying your people aren't clean or that you're covering for them but I doubt that you are with them every minute or know everything they do. And there's still the matter of how you know EPO doesn't work with the fastest Kenyans if they've never used it.

But again, I didn't get onto this thread to debate about who's clean in Kenya and who isn't. I was just responding to the guy who doesn't like the Robertsons because one of them, I think Zane, talked publicly about how much doping happens there because I think he's misplacing his anger.

wer.aiupoasf wrote:You don't have Geb, a 26:22 guy (and Hermens athlete, hence probable doper), running 2:03:59 as his pr and then all sorts of no name Kenyans with no track credentials to speak of running 2:03/4/5 every weekend

is this a joke ?

what elite track 10ks are there for those kenyans to run in ???

where is brussels 10k ???

where is hengelo 10k open-race ???

where is ostrava 10k ???

tell us which elite circuit races these kenyans can chase a 10k clocking ???

what time do you think a 2"02 / 2"03 guy coud run for 10k track on that day ?

hint : lopes when he ran 2"07-flat wr was probably close to 27'15 - 27'20 shape which at time was 2nd fastest ever

do the crude math for 2"02 / 2"03 for 10k for these kenyans...

I never would have believed for a minute that Paula Radcliffe was doping back in 2002-2003. But her leaked blood scores are suspicious and are simply not credible, sadly.

Trevor Graham is adamant that Justin Gatlin is clean.