Can someone help me understand this logic? Germany's Merkel wants lots of Muslim refugees but wants to ban the burka?

Just like France. They want the diversity and immigrants, but want them to assimilate at least a little.

jjjjj wrote:

I talked to a German social worker about the situation and she said that the kids would be assimilated over time but the men were going to be difficult to assimilate because most of them don't have the job skills and cultural background needed there.

Remember when we were being told they were all "doctors and engineers and accountants"?

They are going to be dirty cheap labor, a force for disruption and internal division, and an excuse for the State to take on more powers. The poorest will suffer less resources, the middle will pay for it and have to fight/protect themselves, and the rich will stay above it all in exclusive neighborhoods/towns and non-public institutions.

I'll believe the liberal Left scum when the projects of Brockton and Lawrence are moved to Brookline Centre.

For example, Disco Gary, here is noted intellectual and college professor Alan Dershowitz defending Steve Bannon against charges of anti-semitism:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/16/alan-dershowitz-defends-steve-bannon-i-havent-seen/

And here is in September cautioning against Democrat overconfidence, warning that with Trump having gotten to the final round, he should not be discounted, while making no accusations of racism towards Trump or the supporters in general:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/09/13/why-impossible-predict-this-election/Y7B4N39FqasHzuiO81sWEO/amp.html

Longntime political commentator James Carville commented on Trump's unprecedented momentum and made no accusation that Trump's supporters were by-and-large racist:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/251980-carville-trump-has-unprecedented-momentum

If you find some instance where he made such a statement, please post it.

krispy kremlin_._._ wrote:

jjjjj wrote:

I talked to a German social worker about the situation and she said that the kids would be assimilated over time but the men were going to be difficult to assimilate because most of them don't have the job skills and cultural background needed there.

Remember when we were being told they were all "doctors and engineers and accountants"?

Can you find a statement from a qualified member of the German government that assured that all refugees would be doctors and accountants? I don't think anyone of any standing made that statement.

jjjjj wrote:

and she is definitely no intellectual.

Despite her doctorate in physical chemistry.

You don't even know yourself wrote:

To is, or not to is wrote:

Well, as a left leaning person who values personal freedoms I think Merkel's stance is bad and hypocritical and I disagree with it.

So... can't help you.

You're not even left leaning if you love personal freedom. The left dump on the right all the time for preaching about freedom. Member the Bush years? Plus with the rise of PC, that's all about enforcing rules and lifestyles on people.

I don't blame you though. The left & right paradigms have shifted so much in the past 10 years that no one can keep up with the hypocrisy.

Like the personal freedom to marry another consenting adult human or the personal freedom to maintain agency over the contents of your uterus? I forgot that the right had a monopoly on personal freedoms.

Describer of Dems wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Merkel is not a leftist. When the hell are you sheltered Republicans going to grow up and get an education? Shame on Yale.

There's a whole real world out there, learn about it.

Looks like you were wrong on this one.

Or you're confused about what year it is, moron

Germans have a race hate for people they perceive are not Germanic when in fact Gernans are from Aryana (Iran) and the Caucasus (Russia) to begin with.

The director of the Criminal Police Association, André Schulz, estimates that up to 90% of the sex crimes committed in Germany do not appear in the official statistics.

"There is a strict order by the authorities to not report on crimes committed by refugees," a high-ranking police official in Frankfurt told Bild. "Only specific requests from media representatives about such acts are to be answered."

Germany's migrant sex-crime problem is being exacerbated by its lenient legal system, in which offenders receive relatively light sentences, even for serious crimes. In many instances, individuals who are arrested for sex crimes are released after questioning from police. This practice allows suspects to continue committing crimes with virtual impunity.

A quarterly report — Criminality in the Context of Migration (Kriminalität im Kontext von Zuwanderung) — published by the Federal Criminal Police Office (Bundeskriminalamt, BKA) showed that migrants (Zuwanderer, defined as asylum seekers, refugees and illegal immigrants) committed 3,466 sex crimes during the first nine months of 2017 — or around 13 a day. (Final crime statistics for 2017 will not be publicly available until the second quarter of 2018.) By comparison, in all of 2016 migrants committed 3,404 sex crimes, or around nine a day; in 2015, 1,683 sex crimes, or around five a day; in 2014, 949 sex crimes, or around three a day; and in 2013, 599 sex crimes, or around two a day.

The actual number of migrant-related sex crimes in Germany, however, is believed to be far higher than the official number. For instance, the BKA data includes only crimes that have been solved (aufgeklärten Straftaten). On average only around half of all crimes committed in Germany in any given year are solved (Aufklärungsquote), according to police statistics.

The director of the Criminal Police Association (Bund Deutscher Kriminalbeamter, BDK), André Schulz, estimates that up to 90% of the sex crimes committed in Germany do not appear in the official statistics.

persumably because she read the quran and nowhere does it say its neccacary to cover a womens head or hair. Hijab is the term used by many Muslim women to describe their head cover. The Arabic word 'hijab' literally means barrier or veil. Other meanings for the word 'hijab' include, screen, cover(ing), mantle, curtain, drapes, partition, division, divider, barrier.

The word 'hijab' is used in 7 Quranic verses. The verses are: 7:46, 33:53, 38:32, 41:5, 42:51, 17:45 and 19:17.

http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/women_dress_code_(P1150).html

It makes sense to me. You import the males from this cultures, but disallow the Muslim females because they can't wear the burqa.

So the new diversity enhancers are being deprived of sex, so should be able to take whta tthey can get. Even the worst estimates, 13 per day and "90%" under-reporting, are only 130 per day in a HUGE country like Germany (like 130 million people maybe). So it's like 1 in a million that something happens. You might as well play the lottery. I say, just live with it.

A better question is why some of these refugees and asylum seekers are being deprived of common decency of public welfare to support their lifestyle.

Hey mods is there a way to keep bots from resurrecting old threads and posting excerpts of internet articles?

Exactly. She's trying to have it both ways.

Count Chocula wrote:

Hey mods is there a way to keep bots from resurrecting old threads and posting excerpts of internet articles?

The rules do not let us anonymous posters create more than 5 threads every 72 hours. So we have to siphon off existing ones.

big country wrote:

1. She's pandering for votes

2. She's sending a message that certain parts of the strictest interpretation of their religion are illegal (brutality against homosexual people) or not tolerated (treating women like faceless second class citizens) in Germany and will not be tolerated. There's probably a ban on complete nudity there that immigrants from culturs that practice nudity must follow. Does that bother you politically?

Ummm, what cultures practice nudity? I would think that in such places the skin cancer rates would be high and there would be plenty of work for upholsterers.

Milers Hate Mud! wrote:

Yes, the burka is complete fascist sexual persecution, whereas the hijab is fascist persecution-LITE: "The same medieval intent, but half the calories!"

Lack of knowledge wrote:

Your problem is a lack of knowledge. She's not banning muslims or most Muslim religious dress, only the full face veil. The recent history of full face veils is mostly linked to extreme interpretations of the Koran and practiced by those extreme groups.

So, women can still be Muslim, still wear Muslim dress, etc. They just can't walk around with their faces covered.

Ummm, the Middle Ages in Europe saw the rise of the first enduring universities and Gothic cathedrals. I don't think they were very backward.

Yes, we all know you are confused by intellectual people. That has nothing to do with their political affiliation, though.

No, nobody has been lectured about this. However, if you dont want somebody to be allowed to emigrate here due to their religious affiliation, yes, that is bigotry. If you have other specific reasons that you want to use to screen applicants on an individual basis, go for it. We already do this, just add some more criteria that arent religion.

I wish you understood that an editorial headline isnt the same thinf as a fact. This is why you are confused by intellectuals. In this case, it was an intellectual on the right you are unable to understand.

You finally asked an actual question: "Doesn't her shift basically support the notion that it would just be a hell of a lot easier to not take them in the first place?" The answer is no, her "shift" doesnt support anything. However you seem to be posing the idea that it would be easier to ban people based on religion. I suppose maybe it would be easy to ban an entire religion. That doesnt make it legal or morally right.