Foot Locker CC Nationals Discussion Thread

Great race by Hunter. I am glad he went for it. I think your comment below is odd. People run different race tactics in different circumstances. Who is not a MAN? Let's apply the logic:-Grant Fisher? He wins two In a row but kicks so - not a man.- the kid who won NXN is not a man but the kid who pushed the pace most of the race and finished 3rd or 4th is a man.-michael Fout is a man for a good move his year but Chris Derrick is not a man for waiting and not closing on him that year.- Solinsky is a man for when he won FL and lost the Olympic trials after charging to the lead? But not a man when he followed people most of the races in which he got PRs?- Rupp was a man when he led lots of FL only to lose, took NCAAs out hard but lost to McDougal but not a man when he sat on Chelanga and won NCAAs.

rojo wrote:

America finally has a MAN that isn't afraid to push it.

Run.

-Rojo

PS.

Hunter referred to his coach talking about having a "quiet confidence". Isn't his coach his dad/mom? Why would he refer to them as coach and not dad or mom?

Jonathan Gault wrote:

Wow this coverage is an embarrassment right now

Agreed. It looked like their cart videos were not working as intended so they ran the "default" fan area angle during the meat of the race. Couldn't believe we weren't able to see Hunter or any of the boys runners from the 2nd and 3rd miles at all.

Also I have comments on the other parts of the live web of this event. Just awful. I am staring at a 2015 results placeholder page on the official footlocker cc site and the race ended 20 minutes ago. Open up chrome's wappalyzer extension in my browser and see this is another bullshit wordpress website whose tech stack was dysfunctional even when it first came out in 2008.

No mobile rendering. Horrible user experience. Nothing to notify results are in.

It's almost 2016 people.

rojo wrote:

I'm not sure people have ever labelled him the GOAT but i think when it's all said and done he's going at least time wise be just off that. I don't expect a 353 and he's not a two-time FL champ but i certainly expect a sub-4..

Wasn't this guy mainly a sit and kick guy? To see him crush it was great.

i think he closed his 8:43 win over Fisher in :54

Tom Schwartz or Tinman is the coach ... Lives in Idaho. I've seen workouts that Tom has shared over the past 18 months ..the kid is well trained. The race plan was exactly what you saw today... Tom told me that Drew's instructions were to run 4:30 and convince the field that there was zero chance to catch him. Crosscountry is an event to win not necessarily to run even splits. If he doesn't post here I'll ask Tom if I can share the last month of Drew's prep. Congratulations to Tom (Tinman) and the entire Hunter family.

I think this is only the second time both boys and girls' winners were from the same state.

In 1983 Brad Hudson took out the mile in 4:25. He faded . Winning time was 14:54

1984 splits were 2:10-4:30 and 9:30 with the winning time at 14:50.

1985 went out a little slower (4:38-4:40) when Reina set his record.

The only thing that was a surprise here was that he did not run sub 14:40. He took care of business today and it looked like he would win that race 10 times out of 10.

Link wrote:

I think this is only the second time both boys and girls' winners were from the same state.

And as it has been stated earlier, the winners are from schools less than 10 miles apart in the same county.

Also the same county as Thomas Curtin, The King Slayer.

And Justin Kirk...

Congratulations to Drew Hunter for only blowing away an elite high school field in what Vendetta guy labels a "normal" race. What a bore Hunter is, winning a national championship with "just" a normal run. Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If a 12-second margin of victory in the elite high school XC race of the year is normal, then WATCH OUT!

Same COUNTY!

On my computer all of the available links to live feeds, including Youtube, were TOO WIDE...distorted from being stretched across the monitor's width. I'm no techie, just an average user, so I didn't know how to solve this major annoyance. The Foot Locker people were toying with me even before the first race. THANKS!

And then came the video breakdowns. Well, at least the streaming video broadcast was better than last year's joke!

Someone at Foot Locker deserves to lose his job. One of the big days for a company's promotion ends up generating massive negativity, not live video! Brilliant PR, Foot-in-Mouth Locker!

LappedMiler wrote:

On my computer all of the available links to live feeds, including Youtube, were TOO WIDE...distorted from being stretched across the monitor's width. I'm no techie, just an average user, so I didn't know how to solve this major annoyance. The Foot Locker people were toying with me even before the first race. THANKS!

And then came the video breakdowns. Well, at least the streaming video broadcast was better than last year's joke!

Someone at Foot Locker deserves to lose his job. One of the big days for a company's promotion ends up generating massive negativity, not live video! Brilliant PR, Foot-in-Mouth Locker!

Look, live feed video is always a gamble. I was unable to pull up NXN last week even tho I sought guidance on here.

Even if the gator video had been working we would only have seen footage of Drew....not Rocha etc. Why is no one bitching about the girl's race video?

This is not the first year that the Footlocker feed has sucked. It's more of an ongoing thing than an anomaly.

i love how Hunter is in the Letsrun conversation for GOAT high school cross country, but yet the guys who everyone is comparing him to (Ritz, Solinsky, Verbikas, Fischer, Lindgren etc) get ripped on Letsrun because they aren't tough enough or haven't had a "successful" enough career.Rupp isn't generally in the conversation for best high school athlete, especially, but he's basically the most successful (and fastest) American distance runner ever and has the marathon still to come to add to his resume.maybe being the GOAT high school runner is a recipe for a disappointing professional career?keep speculating guys, it'll help tons.....

Vendetta guy wrote:

Uhhhh, what? wrote:

14:55? After going out in 4:31.8? Can we stop talking about GOAT already? Thanks.

With that said- Props to Hunter for taking it out, instead of jogging most of the race like last year.

Calm down, he had no competition and still ran 14:55. Track will tell what his legacy is. 14:55 alone on the footlocker course is insane.

Look, whether you like it or not, the all-time average winning time on the Balboa course is 14:59 (do the math). So he was 4 seconds faster today.Hunter has the 22nd fastest time on the Balboa course. If they didn't move to Orlando from 1997-2001, he'd be ranked about 30th, as those two years were LOADED with front end talent (look at the names from 99- jeez).So again, in recent years, yes, the times have been slower because the field lets the pace dwindle. Last year for example, Fisher was ultra-relaxed until 800m to go, and then opened up 10 seconds to the finish. Watch the videos of Lukas' FL wins. He jogged both years, and still won by massive margins.

LappedMiler wrote:

Congratulations to Drew Hunter for only blowing away an elite high school field in what Vendetta guy labels a "normal" race. What a bore Hunter is, winning a national championship with "just" a normal run. Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If a 12-second margin of victory in the elite high school XC race of the year is normal, then WATCH OUT!

Kinney alum wrote:

In 1983 Brad Hudson took out the mile in 4:25. He faded . Winning time was 14:54

1984 splits were 2:10-4:30 and 9:30 with the winning time at 14:50.

1985 went out a little slower (4:38-4:40) when Reina set his record.

To give you an idea of what kind of shape Hudson was in at that point he ran 23:31 for 5 miles in Central Park at the New Years race NYRRC ( race has since changed distance)

Footlocker seems to be one of the few courses that seems to run slower over the years and has certainly not gotten faster.

Tom Schwartz from Forreston IL?

"We are watching a phenomenal performance" says the announcer, while we watch 6 kids milling around at a road crossing and a mom in a flannel drink coffee. Oh the irony. But I guess we should reserve judgment. They've only had a few decades to work out the bugs.

Loudoun County, Virginia is the home county of both champions. Has this ever happened before (a single county capturing both)?