Your second paragraph is jibbirish. The only relevant metric, is the distance that everyone one runs, which is the 400m. There’s no weird correlation between the 800m and marathon.
He didn't imply that there was a correlation between the 800 and the marathon, he only included it to make the point that seemingly impossible barriers tend to go down at unexpected times due to the emergence of freak talents as well as breakthroughs in the sport.
You missed that point completely, and decided to make a complete ass of yourself, but thankfully most of us didn't.
Don't you love it when guys jump to attack peoples points without really thinking them over, then kind of dig themselves a hole that they can't get out and make themselves look more and more stupid as they wallow to get out of it and gain advocacy from others?
It's even better when they use superbly ironic handles like "know the sport" - haha.
Considering that no one is even close to the current WR, talk of anyone bringing it below 1:40 is significantly out of place. Let's chat again when the next Rudisha shows up.
A generational talent can happen at any time but it could also take 20+ years.
The 800 is the strangest track event. Sometimes the best are 1500 specialists. Sometimes they are quite competitive in the 400 but usually not world class. Some are even 400 hurdlers. Some train 80mpw and some less than 20. An event where different types of talents clash.
Supershoes don't help (so far), training methods don't seem to have improved much in 40 years. Maybe 800m is too far for steroids and too short for EPO. I don't know.
The gym class participation posts have a point. There is no one stereotype for the kind of athlete that excels at the 800m. And how to develop them? In high school sprinters lift weights and sprint. Distance runners jog around to build aerobic capacity. But what in the middle?
I would argue that the women's 800 is proof the steroids and testosterone work in the 800....for women.
Otherwise, I think you're completely right. There has not yet been a cheat code found for the 800. You have to be fast AND you have to be willing to suffer. I think it's a very specialized event. The only other runners I could see translating to it are actually the 400 hurdles runners (Femke in an 800 would be dynamite).
Don't you love it when guys jump to attack peoples points without really thinking them over, then kind of dig themselves a hole that they can't get out and make themselves look more and more stupid as they wallow to get out of it and gain advocacy from others?
It's even better when they use superbly ironic handles like "know the sport" - haha.
I know I do.
Yeah, that guy was just being needlessly antagonistic and smug with his kneejerk reaction to your post. Can't stand people like that. For what it's worth, I tend to find your contributions pretty worth reading most of the time.
Considering that no one is even close to the current WR, talk of anyone bringing it below 1:40 is significantly out of place. Let's chat again when the next Rudisha shows up.
This is where I'm at. If the Olympic champion is going to be 1:42-high again, then there is no discussion about even the World Record falling, let alone a sub-1:40.
Wayde van Niekirk pre-injury could have done it. The strength he showed in that Rio 400 was phenomenal. Not hard to fathom with a bit of training he could have run 49 then 50 in an 800.
No he couldn’t. A guy that sprinted 9.94 would suck at 800m.
Lol no imagination...how much aerobic training do dedicated sprinters get...pretty much nothing.
The guy is 6' 155. Not 175-185 like most sprinters.
Soccer/Football background, with a few years of dedicated training think Donavan Brazier style. You can't tell me he didn't have the talent pre-injury.
If someone like Nick Symmonds can get into the 1:42 range with his build and form and scientific approach, WVN would have def had a chance.
I did a weighted calc based on height, weight, 400 PR, 800 PR and I got WVN at 1:40.17 vs Rudisha at 1:40.91. Coe, Cruz, Brazier helped round out the calcs for a spread of values.
And no not just any sprinter, Wayde has has something special about his power, strength and form, fluidity. He looks like a natural born runner.
coe's 141, that was sub optimal conditions, pacing track surface.
the other 140 141 runs were front run, or with very dodgy pacing, like 23flat for the first 200, uneven pace, tracks could have been better.
no question. i think coe said himself he could do 139.
rusd 140 front run, that is only 8 meters off 139.9
coach of john walker, arch jelley, wondered why someone did not pop up and do it, back when the record was 143. by a guy that set that mark in his first season doing it, and broke down not too far after.
right now, there are no athletes that can run a 141 with a suboptimal situation, so 139 is out of the question currently.
the guy to do it, will be 45 low 400 m or very close to, which all the top 4 all time were capable of, no doubt. you don't get your best 400 time on the books using it as sharpening, while doing mileage... of course,
a guy like garth bale of notable endurance and the fastest player, that type of guy would be next level.
remember, you only do track and field when something goes wrong in other sports.
which means it is a fluke to get a super talent in this sport.
Shut up. Can we stop these stupid threads of fake times nobody can ever run? SUB 140 is not possible Ever by anyone you mentioned. Idiot.
sub 140 is not possible. EVER. Delete this whole thread it’s like a thread saying sub 26:00mim 10k is possible or a sub 3:40 mile or sub 40 400m.
800m runners can barely run 1:44 1:45 lmao. Never 1:39. Maybe a horse
In 43 years, the world record has dropped by 0.82 seconds. Think about that for a moment.
So to go from 1:40.91 to 1:39.91 is a huge margin. That means ... that 1:40.91 is as close to what is humanly possible in the 800m.
We will get to 1:39.xx -- but it will take a superman, and it could happen in 5 yrs, or more likely in 10, 20 years.
Since 2012 no one has broken 1:42. So HUGE props to Rudisha, Kipketer, Coe & Cruz.
1:40.91 David RUDISHA 09 AUG 2012
1:41.11 Wilson KIPKETER 24 AUG 1997
1:41.73 Sebastian COE 10 JUN 1981
1:41.73 Nijel AMOS 09 AUG 2012
1:41.77 Joaquim CRUZ 26 AUG 1984
You’re a stupid idiot. 1:39 is never happening, steroids, mutants, never. I’ll be back in 20 years to say it again. You either arnt a real runner or don’t understand mechanics or mathematics if you think anyone could run 2 back to back 49 sec 400ms. Literally so stupid. You think a second is just a second ahhhh.
you guys all might as well start discussing how to drop the 200m record by 1 second. Hahahahhahahahahah idiots
coe's 141, that was sub optimal conditions, pacing track surface.
the other 140 141 runs were front run, or with very dodgy pacing, like 23flat for the first 200, uneven pace, tracks could have been better.
no question. i think coe said himself he could do 139.
rusd 140 front run, that is only 8 meters off 139.9
coach of john walker, arch jelley, wondered why someone did not pop up and do it, back when the record was 143. by a guy that set that mark in his first season doing it, and broke down not too far after.
right now, there are no athletes that can run a 141 with a suboptimal situation, so 139 is out of the question currently.
the guy to do it, will be 45 low 400 m or very close to, which all the top 4 all time were capable of, no doubt. you don't get your best 400 time on the books using it as sharpening, while doing mileage... of course,
a guy like garth bale of notable endurance and the fastest player, that type of guy would be next level.
remember, you only do track and field when something goes wrong in other sports.
which means it is a fluke to get a super talent in this sport.
Super spikes really aren't doing much for the 800. There's more 1:44 guys now than 20 years ago, sure, but the very top times aren't falling at all— nobody's gone faster than 1:42.8 in the 2020s!
(I actually have doubts any of those records are by dopers)
I think you need sub 44 400m speed to do it. Steven Gardiner might have as chance if he moved up.
Sebastian Coe ran 1:41.73 with a 400m PB of 46.87. This would suggest that someone with 45.8ish 400m speed could theoretically break 1:40 if they had similar speed endurance to Coe.
Coe ran times in relays which suggested he was capable of roughly 45.8 for an open 400 in 1981.
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