Mo Farah's bell laps in 5k and 10k races were typically 3-4 seconds faster than Ingy's fastest open 400 ability, so yes, he could've maybe won this race too.
Ingy would've probably been 4th place today
You seem clueless -Jakob wouldn’t had had a chance at a fourth placing “today”; he is in a recovery phase from injuries.
And your pose about 400m speed : Totally BS -My guesses would be that Jakob quite easily would have beaten a peak Farah in both an all out 800m and 400m, (given their pb’s in the 1500m), and also in the bell lap in every event from 800m and above…
Typical American tactics. The problem with American middle distance runners is that they race frequently against other American middle distance runners. They can get away with that late closing crap all through high school and college.
At highest level you can see how stunned they are when it isn't leading to victory. Wiley looked shocked after her 800 heat and she hasn't said anything on social media. The disappointment with Nuguse is he seems happy enough to depend on others faltering in front of him. Kerr now grabs what he wants.
Nuguse has run like this a few times now. Remember his first race against Jakob in Rabat last summer? Jakob kicked and Nuguse reacted like 5 seconds later. He closed just as fast as Jakob (if not slightly faster) but the gap had sealed the deal already. Apparently he closed this race in 25.24. Kerr was 25.19.
There's no reason why he shouldn't have been on Kerr's shoulder with 200m to go instead of Wale's. He didn't run like someone who wanted gold more than anything.
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Incorrect here, Josh was the far better runner, he closed faster than Nuguse and could have closed faster given how deceptively relaxed and efficient he sprints a 52 second final 400m. Heck he looks like he can summon a 51 second which Nuguse would never match with his terrible arm swing???
Josh has beautiful arm swing more like Hicham El G, the arms pump and push back and forth like a smooth pendulum in space-time but Nuguse' has wrong biomechanics. That he sprints 53 seconds flat for the final 400m is in itself gross with such poor running technique.
Given Nuguse’s “terrible arm swing” I guess your’s are better, since most people’s probably are.. But still I guess you would have some problems with Kerr’s closing speed. -As a matter of fact maybe you even would struggle a little with Nuguse’s closing speed as well; what do you think..? Just my two cents…
Kerr won extremely easily, in the way a strong man easily defeats weaklings. Nobody else had a chance.
It's always good to see someone relatively big and strong defeat the distance runts like this. Barega should have gone at sub 7:30 pace, that was his only chance.
7:42+ is not worthy of a championship though. Snore. Nobody cares, not even you, admit it. You may say you care but no, not really. What, you say you really care about it? Well go out on the street then and try to interest a stranger in this result. Anything you really care about, you'd explain to a stranger.
Your first paragraph is interesting, since Kerr beat two “weaklings” in the outdoor Worlds (Jakob and Yared being sick). But in this current indoor race nobody looked sick, so I’m a little puzzled by your terminology “weaklings”, and I wonder how you define your self (and your own running) in between your “strong man” and “weaklings”..?
No sorry, Nuguse CANNOT MAKE IT BIG EVER!!! He has trouble changing pace in an instant with that girly half-baked arm swing of his!!! Look at Josh Kerr's arm swing, at any moment in space and time, if he wants to move big time, he just needs to pump his arms harder and his stride opens up and eats up ground. But Nuguse could never pump his arms in a way that generates enough space and time (ala momentum) to ever be a factor in sit and kick races, hence could also never open up his stride and eat up ground in the same way.
Do you guys understand the laws of Physics or what???
Nuguse, the American, cannot cannot cannot cannot make it at the top levels. Silver in such a absent field is a sore failure. He had to beat Josh Kerr or nothing but he couldn't because his mechanics are awful in space-time!!!
Physics will always win, mark my words. I'm never wrong in my predictions. Nuguse is not suited for top level distance running.
I don’t think this is about mechanics. -I once watched the elegant Bernard Lagat against a British athlete (I think it was) in a road race. The latter front ran in a style very easy to criticise (biomechanically), and Lagat was glued to his back, apparently running relaxed . But the latter faded, and the first one won. To my big surprise…
In a slow sit and kick race the athletes with good pb’s in the 4/800m will have a natural advantage. But it’s not about mechanics -both Tim Cheruiyot (will out kick Kerr and Jakob) and Sifan Hassan (will out kick Gidey) have “poor” mechanics, but will win slow races based on their under distance capabilities…
Josh Kerr was looking a tad too relaxed running 25.19 for the last 200m. It should be around 24.5 if it was a lion on his back!!!! But seriously, Josh seems too deceptively powerful and easy in his biomechanics that I'm confused about his ceiling. He seems capable of a WR in the 1500m/mile right now, but also kick extremely well.
I have no reason to think we won't see an outdoor WR attempt from Kerr before Paris. And if he succeeds that would be a fatal mental blow to Jakob and his army of diehard fanboys. Kerr put himself in slay mode and doesn't seem to want to come out of it. He was already a superior tactician and now with WR fitness Jakob is just the next guy in the 1500.
When Nuguse narrowly beat Mills 3 weeks ago after Mills was almost.knocked off the track, I was 'making excuses for him'.
Now Nuguse is the new Cole Hocker and if he only was on Kerr's shoulder at the bell, for sure he would have won as nobody can live with his kick.
The disrespect shown to Kerr 2 weeks after he won the WC and Jakob pulled Nuguse to a 3:43 was unreal. If you look back on that thread and the consensus was that if Kerr had been in the race he would have ran 3:45 or 3:46, well behind Nuguse.
Sure, but this doesn’t have to be called “disrespect”, may be it’s better to call it “being wrong” /“misjudge the situation” and so on… (and we all are wrong sometimes).
Before Wightman won WC 2022 I thought he would be a non factor. Does this mean I disrespected him -not at all! -I was perfectly aware of his shifting ability, and his improvements in both the 800m and the indoor 3000m. But he ran some “crappy” middle distance races that season (didn’t go sub 3.50 in the mile run Jakob front ran in 3.46). So no wonder I thought he was much worse than he turned out to be…
Kerr didn’t show anything in 2023. (Maybe apart from a quite good indoor 3000m). Okay -he won the WC, but his two fiercest opponents were sick in that race, and the two others missed their peak or tactics in the heats (Katir / T. Cheruiyot), and Wightman was injured. -I, f.ex, thought to my self: “Why is he so cocky -he hasn’t done a thing to brag about..!” And I kept on thinking: “Maybe he -correctly- feels he has that 3.27 in him that he talks about. He hasn’t just been able to show it or release it..?” (Very much like Wightman before his WC win)…
Now the situation is clearly different -Josh Kerr has undoubtedly showed his capacity. But how on earth could people like me see this in advance..? It has nothing to do with disrespect -I didn’t see Nuguse’s 3.43 coming before it came either (Nor Jakob’s 3.43 for that matter)…
When Nuguse narrowly beat Mills 3 weeks ago after Mills was almost.knocked off the track, I was 'making excuses for him'.
Now Nuguse is the new Cole Hocker and if he only was on Kerr's shoulder at the bell, for sure he would have won as nobody can live with his kick.
The disrespect shown to Kerr 2 weeks after he won the WC and Jakob pulled Nuguse to a 3:43 was unreal. If you look back on that thread and the consensus was that if Kerr had been in the race he would have ran 3:45 or 3:46, well behind Nuguse.
Fogg was a good bit closer to Mills than Mills was to Nuguse. It was no contest. Kerr was the best man yesterday and is in great shape. He still should’ve run Pre pretty obviously, but wanted to take an easy win over potentially ending season on a loss. Sounds like he’s announcing his season soon and I’m gonna guess low-key 800/5000 in US, Oslo DL and London DL.
Josh Kerr was looking a tad too relaxed running 25.19 for the last 200m. It should be around 24.5 if it was a lion on his back!!!! But seriously, Josh seems too deceptively powerful and easy in his biomechanics that I'm confused about his ceiling. He seems capable of a WR in the 1500m/mile right now, but also kick extremely well.
I have no reason to think we won't see an outdoor WR attempt from Kerr before Paris. And if he succeeds that would be a fatal mental blow to Jakob and his army of diehard fanboys. Kerr put himself in slay mode and doesn't seem to want to come out of it. He was already a superior tactician and now with WR fitness Jakob is just the next guy in the 1500.
We haven't heard him declared any outdoor WR attempt yet???
If he does, the options are pretty limited as well. He is either going to go for the 1500m/mile or the 3000m. I don't think he goes for the 5000m one.
But honestly, I don't see Josh taking the 1500m WR because it's too difficult for not only him but Jakob and everybody else.
I honestly can't visualize the numbers 3:25:99 in my head at all for any single one clean athlete forever. Literally I mean forever it will never be broken except on drugs.
No sorry, Nuguse CANNOT MAKE IT BIG EVER!!! He has trouble changing pace in an instant with that girly half-baked arm swing of his!!! Look at Josh Kerr's arm swing, at any moment in space and time, if he wants to move big time, he just needs to pump his arms harder and his stride opens up and eats up ground. But Nuguse could never pump his arms in a way that generates enough space and time (ala momentum) to ever be a factor in sit and kick races, hence could also never open up his stride and eat up ground in the same way.
Do you guys understand the laws of Physics or what???
Nuguse, the American, cannot cannot cannot cannot make it at the top levels. Silver in such a absent field is a sore failure. He had to beat Josh Kerr or nothing but he couldn't because his mechanics are awful in space-time!!!
Physics will always win, mark my words. I'm never wrong in my predictions. Nuguse is not suited for top level distance running.
I don’t think this is about mechanics. -I once watched the elegant Bernard Lagat against a British athlete (I think it was) in a road race. The latter front ran in a style very easy to criticise (biomechanically), and Lagat was glued to his back, apparently running relaxed . But the latter faded, and the first one won. To my big surprise…
In a slow sit and kick race the athletes with good pb’s in the 4/800m will have a natural advantage. But it’s not about mechanics -both Tim Cheruiyot (will out kick Kerr and Jakob) and Sifan Hassan (will out kick Gidey) have “poor” mechanics, but will win slow races based on their under distance capabilities…
I need to look at the circumstances of that Lagat loss to come to any further conclusion but normally the mechanics doesn't need to be obsessively pretty to a letter T but it must still obey the basic laws of Physics of momentum and electromagnetic resonance! The frequencies need to be compatible but with Nuguse the frequency and amplitude of vibration is unusually adverse for his level of talent.
Both Timothy Cheruiyot and Sifan Hassan definitely have better mechanics than Nuguse. It's not that bad for the both of them but Nuguse really stands out. Nuguse' sleepy running technique is the reason why he needs 5 seconds to react to a move while El G moves instantaneously when Kenenisa Bekele surged in the last 250m of the Athens 5000m.
You need your arms to react fast and hard, Nuguse doesn't have arms or so to speak!!!
Nuguse can never be like EL G and thus cannot be a GOAT in any way at all. He is too impaired.
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I have no reason to think we won't see an outdoor WR attempt from Kerr before Paris. And if he succeeds that would be a fatal mental blow to Jakob and his army of diehard fanboys. Kerr put himself in slay mode and doesn't seem to want to come out of it. He was already a superior tactician and now with WR fitness Jakob is just the next guy in the 1500.
Right you are -we just have to wait and see. Exciting!
When Nuguse narrowly beat Mills 3 weeks ago after Mills was almost.knocked off the track, I was 'making excuses for him'.
Now Nuguse is the new Cole Hocker and if he only was on Kerr's shoulder at the bell, for sure he would have won as nobody can live with his kick.
The disrespect shown to Kerr 2 weeks after he won the WC and Jakob pulled Nuguse to a 3:43 was unreal. If you look back on that thread and the consensus was that if Kerr had been in the race he would have ran 3:45 or 3:46, well behind Nuguse.
Fogg was a good bit closer to Mills than Mills was to Nuguse. It was no contest. Kerr was the best man yesterday and is in great shape. He still should’ve run Pre pretty obviously, but wanted to take an easy win over potentially ending season on a loss. Sounds like he’s announcing his season soon and I’m gonna guess low-key 800/5000 in US, Oslo DL and London DL.
Mills looked like he was set to explode with a similar burst that Kerr produced yesterday with two laps to go, but he was clipped and completely lost his momentum.
I don't know why people are claiming Nguse's kick was better than Kerr's last night, and that he simply left it late. Of course your last 200m is going to be fractionally faster if the guy ahead of you kicked 200m earlier and left you in the dust.
I have no reason to think we won't see an outdoor WR attempt from Kerr before Paris. And if he succeeds that would be a fatal mental blow to Jakob and his army of diehard fanboys. Kerr put himself in slay mode and doesn't seem to want to come out of it. He was already a superior tactician and now with WR fitness Jakob is just the next guy in the 1500.
We haven't heard him declared any outdoor WR attempt yet???
If he does, the options are pretty limited as well. He is either going to go for the 1500m/mile or the 3000m. I don't think he goes for the 5000m one.
But honestly, I don't see Josh taking the 1500m WR because it's too difficult for not only him but Jakob and everybody else.
I honestly can't visualize the numbers 3:25:99 in my head at all for any single one clean athlete forever. Literally I mean forever it will never be broken except on drugs.
Seeing that Kerr is a thinking man, what utility would he gain from attempting the 1500 WR? Not much... he has a winning formula now and clearly getting better at the longer distances is what's benefiting him. I'd go for the 3000 or the 2-mile. The 1500 WR is a massive long shot for any current athlete in the shape they are in. Not impossible but not happening in 2024. Kerr is hungry - he wants to bring the axe down on Jakob in the Olympics badly and to assert himself as a 1500 great. He's walking the talk and if gets Olympic gold he'll have more than earned everyone's respect. My question is how will Jakob cope?
I need to look at the circumstances of that Lagat loss to come to any further conclusion but normally the mechanics doesn't need to be obsessively pretty to a letter T but it must still obey the basic laws of Physics of momentum and electromagnetic resonance! The frequencies need to be compatible but with Nuguse the frequency and amplitude of vibration is unusually adverse for his level of talent.
Both Timothy Cheruiyot and Sifan Hassan definitely have better mechanics than Nuguse. It's not that bad for the both of them but Nuguse really stands out. Nuguse' sleepy running technique is the reason why he needs 5 seconds to react to a move while El G moves instantaneously when Kenenisa Bekele surged in the last 250m of the Athens 5000m.
You need your arms to react fast and hard, Nuguse doesn't have arms or so to speak!!!
Nuguse can never be like EL G and thus cannot be a GOAT in any way at all. He is too impaired.
I agree that arms may be important when it comes to a kick. But Hassan, Hocker, Obiri and a lot of others have “arms all over the place” that reminds me of Nuguse, and still will be fierce kickers…
I need to look at the circumstances of that Lagat loss to come to any further conclusion but normally the mechanics doesn't need to be obsessively pretty to a letter T but it must still obey the basic laws of Physics of momentum and electromagnetic resonance! The frequencies need to be compatible but with Nuguse the frequency and amplitude of vibration is unusually adverse for his level of talent.
Both Timothy Cheruiyot and Sifan Hassan definitely have better mechanics than Nuguse. It's not that bad for the both of them but Nuguse really stands out. Nuguse' sleepy running technique is the reason why he needs 5 seconds to react to a move while El G moves instantaneously when Kenenisa Bekele surged in the last 250m of the Athens 5000m.
You need your arms to react fast and hard, Nuguse doesn't have arms or so to speak!!!
Nuguse can never be like EL G and thus cannot be a GOAT in any way at all. He is too impaired.
I agree that arms may be important when it comes to a kick. But Hassan, Hocker, Obiri and a lot of others have “arms all over the place” that reminds me of Nuguse, and still will be fierce kickers…
It's not only about arms as superficial kicking aid, but efficiency of arms and arm swing as an efficient kicking aid.
It's therefore also about efficiency, meaning maximum change in momentum in space and time for the least amount of energy input into arms and arm swing.
So Hassan and Hocker can still be fierce kickers but they may not be able to do it again and again and again in short time order across the rounds across days and especially ensure only a win and nothing less. Or perhaps they could do it but ended their career because they took too much out of their bodies and their high-performance ability declined from then on!
You must always think in terms of energy conservation.
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Yes I agree with you, you do make a lot of sense to me unlike rekrunner! It's more seamless talking to a faithful person like you than an unfaithful one like the latter!
Yes for sure he might take aim at the 7:54 2mile WR or better yet the 7:20 3000m. But honestly, I find it a very very tall order for Josh to take either one. I mean he is very good but not sure if it's good enough for these WRs. He can definitely kick like hell, has beautiful running technique, good tactics and confident mindset but the WR I'm not that sure.
Josh Kerr was looking a tad too relaxed running 25.19 for the last 200m. It should be around 24.5 if it was a lion on his back!!!! But seriously, Josh seems too deceptively powerful and easy in his biomechanics that I'm confused about his ceiling. He seems capable of a WR in the 1500m/mile right now, but also kick extremely well.
I have no reason to think we won't see an outdoor WR attempt from Kerr before Paris. And if he succeeds that would be a fatal mental blow to Jakob and his army of diehard fanboys. Kerr put himself in slay mode and doesn't seem to want to come out of it. He was already a superior tactician and now with WR fitness Jakob is just the next guy in the 1500.
Kerr is not in “WR fitness” and he is not a superior tactician in any regard. It’s ironic that you say “diehard fanboys” when every post you have in bashing on Jakob and praising Kerr 😂.
