SHELBY MF HOULIHAN

YOOO wrote:

We’ll see about Hassan—I honestly reckon someone with her range is clean

LOL, strange logic! Surely it's the opposite.

VMMYYMMV wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Shelby was clearly in better shape than her 3:57 PR indicated last year. Dipping under 3:55 with this type of pacing is right on the money. No way she is on anything. I think Simpson would agree and she is as skeptical as anyone on the planet. Shelby just has all the tools and a great coach. Centro will run well tomorrow, might even medal.

Shelby was the first clean runner across the line, period.

you guys are so sure of your opinions. but that is all they are, opinions. what very limited info you see is making up your mind and it reeks of subjectivity.

it's ridiculous.

in my opinion, schumachers group has a higher chance of using EPO than Salazar's. So secretive. So infrequent racing. It's like the east africans...but we just know a little more about the BTC than the east africans because of instagram and Letsrun - basically the same situation but we give BTC the benefit of the doubt and east africans the guilty verdict.

i personally don't believe any athlete to won a medal in the WC's this year wasn't cheating in some way. white, black, asian, whatever.

typical speculation on Letsrun wrote:

VMMYYMMV wrote:

Shelby was the first clean runner across the line, period.

you guys are so sure of your opinions. but that is all they are, opinions. what very limited info you see is making up your mind and it reeks of subjectivity.

it's ridiculous.

in my opinion, schumachers group has a higher chance of using EPO than Salazar's. So secretive. So infrequent racing. It's like the east africans...but we just know a little more about the BTC than the east africans because of instagram and Letsrun - basically the same situation but we give BTC the benefit of the doubt and east africans the guilty verdict.

i personally don't believe any athlete to won a medal in the WC's this year wasn't cheating in some way. white, black, asian, whatever.

And, let’s remember the whistleblowers in the Salazar case are discussing L-Carnitine and some testosterone experiments on Al Sal’s son. L-Carnitine is legal in smaller doses.

The undercover journalists and whistleblowers in Africa are sharing videos and discussing EPO.

This is not the same thing.

Lots of people are using the word doping, but with the spotlight on the NOP, none of those athletes are doping for this world championships. If they are, they deserve to be caught.

Shoebacca wrote:

I'm willing to believe that Houlihan is legally clean, but we can't guess what her weird spleen medical history has done to how her body handles blood. I don't think it's a coincidence that she's doing so well despite missing what we thought would be a very important organ for running. Like I say, I think she's legally clean, but I'd love to know what's going on exactly with her physiology.

For those who don't know, Houlihan has a hereditary blood disease that affects the shape of her red blood cells. Her spleen destroyed so many red blood cells that it had to be removed when she was eight. She is no longer anemic, but her immune system is so weak that ordinary diseases could kill her.

There was an interesting and informative thread about her medical history and its likely effects on her running last year. Those who haven't seen it will find it interesting:

typical speculation on Letsrun wrote:

VMMYYMMV wrote:

Shelby was the first clean runner across the line, period.

you guys are so sure of your opinions. but that is all they are, opinions. what very limited info you see is making up your mind and it reeks of subjectivity.

it's ridiculous.

in my opinion, schumachers group has a higher chance of using EPO than Salazar's. So secretive. So infrequent racing. It's like the east africans...but we just know a little more about the BTC than the east africans because of instagram and Letsrun - basically the same situation but we give BTC the benefit of the doubt and east africans the guilty verdict.

i personally don't believe any athlete to won a medal in the WC's this year wasn't cheating in some way. white, black, asian, whatever.

I agree with this to a degree. I assume those who race a lot ( Hassan) have nothing to hide because they are tested far more. Houlihan hardly raced at all as did anyone in her group. Now, I believe they are all clean, especially Hassan.

Hassan has been with NOP for 3 years. Her results have been good, but not astounding. She lost 2 kicker's races to Dibaba and Obirri early in the year. But the 3k she ran at Pre seemed to be the turning point for her. Her results don't surprise me. Here's the problem: She can't prove she's clean. If the best runner in the sport is under a cloud, then how legitimate is the sport? I remember Rashid Ramzi winning and then testing positive. I believe it was 2 Turkish females who tested positive in London. These types of results make everyone suspicious. But Hassan has been a world class runner for several years. If she is dirty and can't be caught, then the sport is doomed.

I'm a big Hassan fan. But it makes me wonder when I don't hear any of her fellow runners in NOP coming to her defense. How can she stay in that group if the women she is training with on a daily basis think she's dirty?

VMMYYMMV wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Shelby was clearly in better shape than her 3:57 PR indicated last year. Dipping under 3:55 with this type of pacing is right on the money. No way she is on anything. I think Simpson would agree and she is as skeptical as anyone on the planet. Shelby just has all the tools and a great coach. Centro will run well tomorrow, might even medal.

Shelby was the first clean runner across the line, period.

Ummmmmm…..OK…..

Snapshot wrote:

VMMYYMMV wrote:

Shelby was the first clean runner across the line, period.

Ummmmmm…..OK…..

😂😂😂

Naive posters go home DEVASTATED

MohammedAA wrote:

Chobits wrote:

This one was incredible in hindsight.

Kipyegon and Tsegay are on waaaay more dope than Hassan.

Both and.

All three are doped to the gills.

Of course, so is Houlihan.

Former Flanagan fan wrote:

Snapshot wrote:

Ummmmmm…..OK…..

😂😂😂

Naive posters go home DEVASTATED

LMAO father time wins against LRC posters once again

Naive liberal sheep take the L again. Surprise.

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""--""""-'--'-'-"-----^' wrote:

Naive liberal sheep take the L again. Surprise.

Please shut up. YMMV was one of the sheep and he is a Trump supporter, COVID-19 minimizing moron.

YMMV wrote:

Sledge_Hammer wrote:

If she's an African though, you guys will be accusing her of doping.

And Centro was coached by Salazar as well.

Once East Africa has the same level of testing of the U.S., and can manage to not produce another bust every month, then I will consider that some of them might be clean. Same with Russia, Turkey, etc.. There is not a whiff of PED use with Shelby or the BTC, period.

Not a whiff? How about a burrito?

Ah yes, Trump Derangement Syndrome. I wonder if there's a vaccine for it.

Some people in this thread really nailed it a year ago. Nice job.

JD7 wrote:

Ah yes, Trump Derangement Syndrome. I wonder if there's a vaccine for it.

The moron Steve brought up politics. I took him to the woodshed as I am taking you.

What woodshed? I believe you're having delusions. Must be a symptoms of TDS.

JD7 wrote:

What woodshed? I believe you're having delusions. Must be a symptoms of TDS.

Why do you have to bring your tiny c0ck and insane politics into every thread?

YMMV wrote:

Sledge_Hammer wrote:

If she's an African though, you guys will be accusing her of doping.

And Centro was coached by Salazar as well.

Once East Africa has the same level of testing of the U.S., and can manage to not produce another bust every month, then I will consider that some of them might be clean. Same with Russia, Turkey, etc.. There is not a whiff of PED use with Shelby or the BTC, period.

Ouch.

Because of the tolerance and acceptance of armstrong, nike, africa, uk, us, coe, and their stated persistant squeaky cleanness against the evidence, ALL high performers whiff. eg Mo, Froome, Bolt,

Until someone like seb, or boris, or joe says; yes, we all did it, we are all doing it, but it stops now, and we are going to come clean and stop supporting past and present dopers (including ourselves, eh, seb), it will never end.

fatima whitbread.

Armstronglivs wrote:

]Not a whiff? How about a burrito?

It was a mistake! I'm sure she feels really offal about the whole thing.

:p