TO THE GILLS wrote:
GF's progression is just incredible.
Last year his SB was 3:44, now it's 3:34.
His first race this year outdoors was 3:48. Now he's down to 3:34.
What's the 3k and 5k equivalent to a 3:34.60 1500m?
And of course, when Taoufik with a greater talent produces good results against a weak field, its cheating. But when this guy PR like this its just hard work?
OK.....
It Has to be said. wrote:
Overheard at the stadium, post race, from a Kenyan talking to another:
"WTF. where are the Americans getting these guys?"
Africans don't even know we have more in the war chest. Wait for that skinny guy from Stanford to get rolling.
Yep, kenyans do care about people placing 7th.
Sure...
Bad Wiggins wrote:
gtfo wrote:Fernandez WILL run more than 55-75 mpw with Schumacher and he WILL run faster.
Thank god you don't coach anyone of importance.
Naw, dsrunner is right
just heretical.
In his interview, GF basically said he's training EXACTLY OPPOSITE of what dsrunner (and you) advocates.
Cheat...... wrote:
TO THE GILLS wrote:GF's progression is just incredible.
Last year his SB was 3:44, now it's 3:34.
His first race this year outdoors was 3:48. Now he's down to 3:34.
What's the 3k and 5k equivalent to a 3:34.60 1500m?
And of course, when Taoufik with a greater talent produces good results against a weak field, its cheating. But when this guy PR like this its just hard work?
OK.....
AW! since when did I ever call Taoufik a cheat?
bumpity bump
here's our analysis of the race with splits:
shoe guy wrote:Ventolin can we get a line of fit for this guy? I think German is the next big thing in the 5k/10k. The fact that he is probably running this time (better than Rupp's PR) off 51 or 52 400 speed tells me that he probably has some impressive endurance already.
it's difficult to do a line when a guy has only 1 great mark ( 3'34 ) & unknown 800 ( or 400 ) & training for just 1 event - 1500
if you think he has 51/52 speed then theoretical 3 - 10k ( virtually impossible to come close to off just 1500 training )
51.0 / 1'48.4 ->3'34.2 , 4'52.2 , 7'32.3 , 13'03.3 , 27'26.6
51.2 / 1'48.6 ->3'34.2 , 4'52.0 , 7'31.6 , 13'01.2 , 27'19.9
51.4 / 1'48.8 ->3'34.2 , 4'51.9 , 7'31.0 , 12'59.2 , 27'13.3
51.6 / 1'48.9 ->3'33.9 , 4'51.1 , 7'29.2 , 12'54.9 , 27'00.9
51.8 / 1'49.1 ->3'34.0 , 4'51.0 , 7'28.5 , 12'52.8 , 26'54.3
52.0 / 1'49.3 ->3'34.0 , 4'50.8 , 7'27.8 , 12'50.7 , 26'47.7
these lines are basically those of elite african 5k guys ( last one is ~ rupp )
all i'd say is that if 5k is his best event, if/when he fills out, he obviously is looking at 13-flat
"So we know you aren't the brightest.
So far its you and the guy who thinks Germando should run 50 miles a week."
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Can't find the specific source but I remember reading that his college coach was quoted saying he has 51/52 400 speed. Seems about right considering his 4x400 splits in high school. One thing to keep in mind is that he is not training for the 1500. This interview (http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/249705-2012-ISTAF-Berlin-Meeting/video/654889-German-Fernandez-big-personal-best-334-1500-in-first-big-European-race-at-2012-ISTAF-Berlin) states that "most of his training is based on 3k/5k". Keep in mind that this a guy who broke all of Rupp's records. After watching this race (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scAHkAU5bVw), it is clear that he is built to run the distance events.
Remember me guys? I'm still faster
Barakus Obama wrote:
[quote]Idiot!!!!!! wrote:
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So we know you aren't the brightest.
So far its you and the guy who thinks Germando should run 50 miles a week.
I love it when people just blow off ideas that are contrary to the received wisdom. At one time, the majority of people was just as positive that the world was flat, and that the Earth was the center of the universe. Now, apparently, the accepted wisdom is that a distance runner can't be successful unless he runs 70-100m/wk or more.
Why? Especially in the case of German, who seems to always get injured when he ups his mileage. I ran great (for me) at 60-70m/wk. I doubled it, and didn't get one lick faster. Clearly there is an optimal level of training that varies from athlete to athlete. You may be like Levin who can't seem to run enough. Others either break down when they up their mileage or receive no incremental benefit.
For some runners 50m/wk with 6-12 hr/wk of a variety of cross training may be far more effective at eking out every ounce of talent than running 100m/wk. To me, it's worth considering, especially when working with such a talented but fragile athlete like German.
Frankly, you are the last person I would consider getting advice from. You're very good at parroting accepted wisdom, but clearly lack any creative thoughts of your own.
O.o = Schizoid Head case! wrote:
"Chill out you 12 year old."
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O.o - Is this your dick size, IQ or generally a self-description?
Honesty, if you don't know who he is by now, get the hell off the site!!!
You're an idiot.
ventolin^3 wrote:
shoe guy wrote:Ventolin can we get a line of fit for this guy? I think German is the next big thing in the 5k/10k. The fact that he is probably running this time (better than Rupp's PR) off 51 or 52 400 speed tells me that he probably has some impressive endurance already.it's difficult to do a line when a guy has only 1 great mark ( 3'34 ) & unknown 800 ( or 400 ) & training for just 1 event - 1500
if you think he has 51/52 speed then theoretical 3 - 10k ( virtually impossible to come close to off just 1500 training )
51.0 / 1'48.4 ->3'34.2 , 4'52.2 , 7'32.3 , 13'03.3 , 27'26.6
51.2 / 1'48.6 ->3'34.2 , 4'52.0 , 7'31.6 , 13'01.2 , 27'19.9
51.4 / 1'48.8 ->3'34.2 , 4'51.9 , 7'31.0 , 12'59.2 , 27'13.3
51.6 / 1'48.9 ->3'33.9 , 4'51.1 , 7'29.2 , 12'54.9 , 27'00.9
51.8 / 1'49.1 ->3'34.0 , 4'51.0 , 7'28.5 , 12'52.8 , 26'54.3
52.0 / 1'49.3 ->3'34.0 , 4'50.8 , 7'27.8 , 12'50.7 , 26'47.7
these lines are basically those of elite african 5k guys ( last one is ~ rupp )
all i'd say is that if 5k is his best event, if/when he fills out, he obviously is looking at 13-flat
Wait, why is the 3:33 the slowest of the bunch?
I'm going to assume you just didn't look at any of the numbers, and focus on German's race:
Everybody's lauding him for his great finish but to me it still showed a lack of racing instinct. If he had come 5th, okay, but he still couldn't pull out the 0.04sec required to get to the front of that pack. Essentially the same as running down the finishing straight of the Olympic final and getting 3rd by 0.04sec. Those distances aren't about speed or strength- they're about desire and racing tactics and at this point he still doesn't have that (mostly because he ran like crap under DS). Give him a few years and maybe he'll get it, but he's not there yet so everybody just calm down.
Lagat Wannabe wrote:
Now, apparently, the accepted wisdom is that a distance runner can't be successful unless he runs 70-100m/wk or more.
Why?
Name one great 10,000 meter runner who only runs 50 miles a week at the peak.
There is your answer.
Ventolin reminds me of this strange cat I knew in college. He was a math major and the founder of Kermit theory, which was math based on Muppet characters. So an equation might be the square root of Kermit = the sum of all intergers between Gonzo and Ms. Piggy. He would write these equations on the study room chalkboard and even talked of being close to proving the Fozzie unifier.
J.R. wrote:
Lagat Wannabe wrote:Now, apparently, the accepted wisdom is that a distance runner can't be successful unless he runs 70-100m/wk or more.
Why?
Name one great 10,000 meter runner who only runs 50 miles a week at the peak.
There is your answer.
Who cares about 10000?
People who aren't fast enough for 1500/5000.
Now name one runner doing >100mpw with three WC medals at 5000 like Lagat has.
The two greatest 5000 meters runners of all-time ran over 100 mpw.
Way to go GERMAN!111111111111111111111111111111111111!!!!!
O.o wrote:Wait, why is the 3:33 the slowest of the bunch?
eh ?
those are the nearest the lines come to 3'34.0 with 0.1s changes in 400 & 800
3'34.0 looks about his time at even pace & posters saying he left his sprint late, so had something left in the tank