Handsome Hoey can feasibly break five additional world records: outdoor 600 + indoor/outdoor 800 and 1000. Indoor 1000 would be the "easiest." But can he actually do two+ records in one season? Would be tough.
Literally all of the Hoey haters dislike Hoey because he comes from a wealthy family. They are jealous of him and anyone else with money. — In before a slew of posters claim to be well off. The same posters who ignore Brazier’s ridiculous ‘comeback’ on “5 months training”. 🤡
After his 3:29 I assumed his limiting factor in the 800 was now his 400m PB.
He went through in 47.6 for this 600 so I'm assuming assuming he's in 46 400 shape so as long as he can maintain this 600 shape at the same time as 3:29 shape then 1:41 is a guarantee. Assuming he hasn't gone all in on 400/800 and abandoned his 1500 shape.
Everyone is scared of Cooper L and it's making them do crazy things like ditching the only coach they've been wildly successful with.
If you consider that essentially the end of Hoey's "wildly successful" season was him losing the national championship and not making the World Championship team very likely because Rinaldi told him to lead the whole race since he was so much better than washed-up Donavan Brazier and off-form Bryce Hoppel, that he didn't have to respect them.
I figure he's good for the indoor 800 and 1k records this year; the outdoor 600m record, which he would have been faster than by a few tenths if not for the mixup when his brother was dropping out; and should give a run at 800 and 1k outdoors as well. I'm not sure that he will uncork a 3:27 1500 because he has most likely gone all in on speed. But he'll have a shot at multiple records as long as he stays healthy, which I do not believe will go through outdoors and probably not throughout indoors. You simply cannot run 47.6 (enroute) indoors and be unable to go low 46 at least for 400m outdoors because you are losing a lot of power from the tight turns at that pace, banking or no banking. I think he is in 45.7-45.8 shape outdoors but no matter. This is great shape for July. But it's December so it's going to be very, very tough to make it even to the outdoor season.
It hasn’t beeen that long since the split, so he’s still coasting off the training from his previous coach. Let’s revisit this in a year and see how it plays out.
Didn't realize Rinaldi ran the reps/races for him 😮
Gray doesn't hold the WR at all, it's a world best, and that's not nitpicking. Extreme off distance. Most of the top times can't be compared to the major distance PRs of the same performer, likely much softer.
In particular, if Duane Solomon runs 1:13.21, I know for damn sure his 800m ceiling was always his PR. We know the same about Gray. So 1:12.82 doesn't mean 1:39 or even 1:40. That might happen anyway but that wouldn't make the 600m performance predictive.
Who's Ryan Sanchez, who I noticed on the all-time list? Ran 1:13 twice 2 and 3 years ago. Tied with several for 2 times under 2:14. Never heard of him.
There are like 10 other 800 runners that can run this time or faster. 1)different race 2) Rarley run , not as competitive times 3) if the event was relevant you would have 400 runners trying to break the record 2) the limit for the event is probably some crazy time like 1:10 outdoors 5)where is he when it matters
I figure he's good for the indoor 800 and 1k records this year; the outdoor 600m record, which he would have been faster than by a few tenths if not for the mixup when his brother was dropping out; and should give a run at 800 and 1k outdoors as well. I'm not sure that he will uncork a 3:27 1500 because he has most likely gone all in on speed. But he'll have a shot at multiple records as long as he stays healthy, which I do not believe will go through outdoors and probably not throughout indoors. You simply cannot run 47.6 (enroute) indoors and be unable to go low 46 at least for 400m outdoors because you are losing a lot of power from the tight turns at that pace, banking or no banking. I think he is in 45.7-45.8 shape outdoors but no matter. This is great shape for July. But it's December so it's going to be very, very tough to make it even to the outdoor season.
This is just straight up wrong. 45.7 and 47.6 are ENTIRELY different. 47.6 is more likely than not a couple tenths of a second off of his open PB that his is able to maintain due to endurance training. That’s not how it works.
Why is this not in the headlines on the front page of WA's website? The mark is already on his profile there, and worth 1319 points, which, interestingly, is higher than Rudisha's 800m WR score equivalent.
So why haven't they? If it was easy everyone who could break it would have done so to have a world best to their name. But it's not. Many 400 guys will fold by 450 and many 800m runners can run 1:14 in an 800 and still not do so. Rudisha has a 45 400m, a 57xx 500m (on the roads), a 1:13.10 on the track outdoors with some wind, and yet couldn't beat it. Perhaps Juantorena could but he did not. Johnny G has the WB outdoors but would not have done this indoors. And the fact that it does not translate well to 400m or 800m does not show it is weak or irrelevant. Quite the opposite, it shows that for some this might be their best distance and other specialists will not beat them at it. In the end, all running events and records represents arbitrary times for arbitrary distances. There is no necessity that one measures distance in meters or yards or whatever, or time in seconds and minutes as we currently do in our time and space. Tracks may be standard and reinforce the perception of appropriate race length but there is absolutely not objective reason why races should be as long as they are, that is not relative to a relative form of space and time measurement. The same goes for incentive. Just because there is less incentive to run it because of less opportunities or prize money or prestige is, once again, not a reason why the times should be seen as worth less than those where everyone tries to be in on it. It's confusing what deserves to be celebrated and credited with what just coincidentally happens to be customary.
Officially a fan of Hoey for some weird reason, but hey he can't be the only dirty one right. Anybody with knowledge of the current situation knows there's guys missing the USA finals who are doping lol so imagine the cream of the crop. Hoey's rise was suspect, but so is a lot of other people I don't wanna even name without making people mad on here. But yeah I'm a Hoey fan, seems like a cool dude.
Wrapping up this 600m run with naysayer consensus comments.
Too bad I can't get behind the guy. Nothing in his portfolio up to the age of 25 comes anywhere close to validating this result. Nothing.
Hoey is more sus than Katir, who was triple red flag all the way. After the race he continued without pause for a 6 minute pace glory high 5 lap, which is the tell tale. EPO effect.
At age 20 to 25 he was a 147 high guy, and a 348 1500 guy at best. And IAAF has no results for 400m, where he had to have run 46 in his sprint prime years, you don't go from the 48 high at best which comes with a 147 high, down to running 47 mid and another 200m at that pace.
He might be on something new. and "legal" with his budget. EPO itself isn't just a blood booster, it is anti inflammatory, and effectively halves or more recovery time, which is more the key, as blood boosting methods are out there plenty, and legal. It is like having Viren's blood bags with turbo juice in them.
Right now you have a guy with 46 flat at worst and 329 at worst.
The next bit of the farce would be to win some long distance road race against elites.
That is 800m WR territory no doubt.
Then again, it is a new era, where the haphazard use of diet and supplements like NAC, amino acids, peptides, bicarb, and etc.
Where 327 1500 and 141 is the norm for top 10. It's just a new era, with the athletes proving what works, and might be a great experiment for longevity and performance as we age.
I don't like the fraud of it, but the overall benefits and understanding is of great benefit.
These stand-out performances are becoming a new normal, from hs to college to pros and both sexes. It's like watching a body-building competition as they try out the latest drugs.