No woman in history has run within 3s/mile of the new W marathon WR. Imagine if a 1500 runner beat the WR by 3 seconds.
This is an interesting point. When did that ever happen anywhere else?
That would be WR improvements of 79 s in a marathon:
{- almost Kipchoge in 2018 (78 s improvement)}
- Clayton in 1967 (134 s improvement)
- Chepngetich in 2024 (117 s improvement)
- Assefa in 2023 (131 s improvement)
- Kosgei in 2019 (89 s improvement)
{- Radcliffe in 2003 (113 s improvement) - hard to compare b/c male pacing}
- Radcliffe in 2002 (89 s improvement)
- Benoit in 1982 (170 s improvement)
That would be WR improvements of 19 s in a 10,000:
- Clarke in 1965 (36 s improvement) - Junxia in 1993 (42 s improvement) - Kristiansen in 1986 (45 s improvement)
That would be WR improvements of 10 s in a 5,000: - Hägg in 1942 (10 s improvement)
- Kristiansen in 1986 (11 s improvement)
- Budd in 1985 (11 s improvement)
3 s in a 1500?
- no men ever I think
- Kazankina in 1976 (5 s improvement)
So looking at this millenium only, that 3s/mile differential happened only in the women's marathon, but that four times (five if counting Radcliffe's 2003).
Up until the Olympic, Hocker was an also-run without ever breaking 3:30. He wasn't even fast enough to eat dust of Jakob and Kerr, but came this Olympic, he'd become a world beater, taking 3 secs off his PB and breaking the OR. His progression didn't make sense. At least in Ruth case, she's always pretty good in the marathon. She ran 2:18 way back in 2018 and that was the 7th fastest time at the time.
But what about Rosa? I know you guys also love playing guilty by association. Fisher came from the BTC (Burrito Track Club). I don't know how he hacked the WADA with his new coach, but he's no less shady, association-wise.
Question:
How many American distance runners have tested positive and have been banned in the last 20 years?
How many Kenyan distance runners have tested positive and have been banned in the last 20 years?
Which country has more stringent and non-corrupt testing protocols?
Are you going to trust the Kenyan Athletic Federation (do some research), or USA Track and Field?
If Cole Hocker and Grant Fisher haven't shown consistent progression over the course of their careers thus far, you're either an idiot or are just talking out of your A$$.
If Cole Hocker and Grant Fisher haven't shown consistent progression over the course of their careers thus far, you're either an idiot or are just talking out of your A$.
Up until the Olympic, Hocker was an also-run without ever breaking 3:30. He wasn't even fast enough to eat dust of Jakob and Kerr, but came this Olympic, he'd become a world beater, taking 3 secs off his PB and breaking the OR. His progression didn't make sense. At least in Ruth case, she's always pretty good in the marathon. She ran 2:18 way back in 2018 and that was the 7th fastest time at the time.
But what about Rosa? I know you guys also love playing guilty by association. Fisher came from the BTC (Burrito Track Club). I don't know how he hacked the WADA with his new coach, but he's no less shady, association-wise.
Question:
How many American distance runners have tested positive and have been banned in the last 20 years?
How many Kenyan distance runners have tested positive and have been banned in the last 20 years?
Which country has more stringent and non-corrupt testing protocols?
Are you going to trust the Kenyan Athletic Federation (do some research), or USA Track and Field?
If Cole Hocker and Grant Fisher haven't shown consistent progression over the course of their careers thus far, you're either an idiot or are just talking out of your A$.
Of course the US have fewer positive tests, when they're swept under the rug.
Same goes to Ruth, if Ruth hasn't shown consistent progression over the course of their careers thus far, you're either an idiot or are just talking out of your ass.
Is Hocker a world record holder with a wild outlier time?
In the right circumstances half the field could have won the Olympic 1500m.
No woman in history has run within 3s/mile of the new W marathon WR. Imagine if a 1500 runner beat the WR by 3 seconds.
I cited him not because he's a WR record holder, but he did have an outlier performance just like Ruth had hers.
Well, when Radcliffe ran 2:15, no one ran within 5s/mile of that too. And when Jakob ran his 7:17, no one ran within 1.5s/mile of that too despite its being such a short distance. All that means they're strong WRs OR maybe the competition is weak as in women's sport, so there bound to be outliers when a WR is set.
Is Hocker a world record holder with a wild outlier time?
In the right circumstances half the field could have won the Olympic 1500m.
No woman in history has run within 3s/mile of the new W marathon WR. Imagine if a 1500 runner beat the WR by 3 seconds.
I cited him not because he's a WR record holder, but he did have an outlier performance just like Ruth had hers.
Well, when Radcliffe ran 2:15, no one ran within 5s/mile of that too. And when Jakob ran his 7:17, no one ran within 1.5s/mile of that too despite its being such a short distance. All that means they're strong WRs OR maybe the competition is weak as in women's sport, so there bound to be outliers when a WR is set.
A comparable performance at 1500m is breaking the WR by 2-3 seconds.
Hocker's Olympic race was not an outlier for him. He had run several 3:30 races prior and PR'd at 800, 5000 a few weeks before, and set OT record beating Neguse easily. As far as place, he was 6th in the previous Olympics as a 20 year old, 7th at WC last year, 2nd at indoor WC this year. If he hadn't made the final it would have been a failure. If he didn't place top 6, it would have been a mediocre performance.
Same goes to Ruth, if Ruth hasn't shown consistent progression over the course of their careers thus far, you're either an idiot or are just talking out of your ass.
FYI, Lance tested positive 4x in July 1999, for cortisone. His 1999 samples were later retested, and he tested positive 6x for EPO, and two more were "suspicious", but below the criteria.
Up until the Olympic, Hocker was an also-run without ever breaking 3:30. He wasn't even fast enough to eat dust of Jakob and Kerr, but came this Olympic, he'd become a world beater, taking 3 secs off his PB and breaking the OR. His progression didn't make sense. At least in Ruth case, she's always pretty good in the marathon. She ran 2:18 way back in 2018 and that was the 7th fastest time at the time.
But what about Rosa? I know you guys also love playing guilty by association. Fisher came from the BTC (Burrito Track Club). I don't know how he hacked the WADA with his new coach, but he's no less shady, association-wise.
I disagree. Hocker was never in a diamond league fast race and I just don't believe Grant Fisher would ever cheat. But the recent marathon WR smells fishy