You're a hypocrite if you cry foul on Ruth but celebrated Hocker and Fisher.

downvote all you want without any rebuttal. Your cowardice is showing! You know I'm right!

How many tests for each last year?

Kenya has the most number of positive tests, which ironically means they're actually doing a good job catching the dopers, instead of shielding them like the West.

Call me whatever you like, I still say: TO THE GILLS

copium.

Fisher is literally the least shady guy out there. Hocker is in an event that has all top-8 finishers usually within a few seconds of each other.

Hocker got lucky that Jakob went wide to drift Kerr out into Lane 2. If that hadn't happened Hocker could never have opened up his famous kick. Hocker was also 5th in Tokyo as a 20 year old, so it shouldn't be such a surprise to you that he could improve at age 23.

Fisher, who is tested 50 times a year, ran his races perfectly. He just the most patient runner, staying on the rail the whole time. Some of the favorites had off days and Grant was there to pick the medals.

Ruth literally obliterated a record that was already totally suspicious (BY TWO MINUTES), so please don't compare these scenarios.

None of would bet our lives that any pro athlete is 100% clean, but to compare Hocker and Fisher to Ruth is crazy.

I brought up Fisher because some people said Ruth is guilty because of her tie to Rosa. I can say the same about Fisher. In fact, he's even fishier (no pun intended) now, as he seems to have improved even further from his new coach rather than the one who never heard of nandrolone.

As for Hocker, he was 5th in Tokyo as a 20 year old, but Ruth was also the 7th fastest woman at 24 only. In a marathon, you reach your peak performance into your late 20s or early 30s.

If you talk about the WRs. Women's records are just soft to begin with. There's a reason Hassan could pull off the redonculous triple TWICE. Not only was she talented of course, but women's sports are simply not nearly as competitive as men's. Even with her half-ass training, she still managed a 2:13 coming off the triple in Budapest. And if Keira D'Amato, who no one has ever heard of until 2020, could break the AR in 2:19:12 at 37-38 of age with just few years of training, why couldn't a woman with a promising marathon PR way back in 2018, supposedly in her prime, run less than 10 mins faster than that?

Speaking of being tested, Lance Armstrong was also tested a lot and passed all of them. That's not the conspiracy theorist here would buy I'm afraid.

Agree 100%

When usa and europe have the same level of participation of women into running as a sport as kenya and ethiopia have you will see the times go down dramatically.

The women records in US and europe are laughable the depth is just not there

400 busts and 150 athletes currently suspended means that Kenya is the cleanest running nation on Earth, and that we have no right to suspect a 30 year old Kenyan woman under Frederica Rosa improving her marathon time five minutes to 2:09.

8 upvotes and 1 downvote. Jesus.

Amount of improvement in PB over the last 4 years

Cole: 3.75 seconds in the 1500m = 3.75s per 1500m

Ruth: 7 minutes 12 seconds in the marathon = 15.35s per 1500m

Lol. 50 times?? When someone makes up nonsense like that, I know it's sheer propaganda. Presumably the rest too.

USADA tested Fisher only six times last year - including in and out of competition.

cough "Sydney" cough

That’s not what he’s saying. He’s saying Kenya, despite the large amount of popped runners, is probably doing a better job at testing and catching their own runners.

We know from survey of the actual athletes they 30-50% of runners have admitted taking PEDs, yet the UK has zero banned athletes.

It’s extremely naive to think one country is doping.

Marion Jones & Lance Armstrong were never popped.

Norway, for example, has no incentive to catch their national heroes. All it would do is crush the spirits of a nation.

The OP is right. He isn’t right just because those favoring Hocker and company over Ruth are hypocrites, they are, but he’s right because everyone at the pro level dopes. It’s just like cycling when it came out that all of them do it and that Lance juiced up literally minutes before races in a tent. Never testing positive is the worst excuse of all because they clearly find ways to avoid positive tests even though they still all dope.

Hocker and Fisher are clearly guilty but so is Nuguse. We wouldn’t see the kind of jumps from any of them just due to the super shoes. The whole sport is tainted and dang it, Brojos caved into outside pressure and put up a Ruth 2:09 homepage.

I am downvoting you from all 40 of my accounts each behind 7 proxies

They caught their biggest national hero Therese Johaug, but I guess you shouldn´t let facts get in the way of a good rant...

Cole raced perfectly, peaked perfectly, has progressed gradually and consistently over time, and ran a 1500 time that other people have still been hitting somewhat often the past couple years. Sure 3:30 to 3:27 is a bit of a break out race, it's totally possible Cole could be doping, but for his jump in performance to be comparable to Ruth's he would have had to run like a 3:23 or something.

If Hocker had run, say, 3:23 maybe. Fisher? He just won a medal. I got news for you- if you look back at results from every Olympics. In each and every race, 3 individuals won medals.

That's what each of them did.

You think you’re going to find hypocrites here? Good luck with that.