We've closed this thread to new posts. Please discuss this topic in a new thread given the fact she just won the race outright in 2023. Does that mean that the 2022 cheating allegations definitely have no merit?
It's like you guys don't even know any women or been to a race. Newsflash: Lots of women like to coordinate outfits
You’re not wrong- lots of women DO like to coordinate outfits. But something I noticed about Ashley from pictures and interviews is that she has a real “look at me” personality, so it strikes me as odd that she would match outfits with someone so closely. I feel like she’d want something a bit more contrasting to grab more attention, but I could definitely be overthinking this one.
I think you are overthinking it. I have no opinion about whether she cheated in the race or not (I don’t know enough about the splits, though if it’s true she beat the male split best by 20+ min…hmm…) but coordinated outfits is not a red flag. They didn’t even match their shoes.
so the easiest way to be a sports coach is to find a list of known contaminated sports supplements (or even make your own), and accidentally recommend this accidnetally awful stuff to your athletes whilst simultaneously pumping them full of ostarine.
and ensure they have fully coodinated identical runners with them.
Just for reference, - the female course record split from 122 to 135 is 3:24 hours. - the MALE course record split from 122 to 135 is 3:10 hours. And that is by Ishikawa, one of the established names in the sport. - Ashley Paulson just ran it in 2:47 yesterday.
If the timing is not messed up (and I highly doubt that), she produced one of the greatest streches of ultrarunning finals sprints ever, at the end of a heat torture ultramarathon, on the steepest climb you can find on the race by far.
Just for reference, - the female course record split from 122 to 135 is 3:24 hours. - the MALE course record split from 122 to 135 is 3:10 hours. And that is by Ishikawa, one of the established names in the sport. - Ashley Paulson just ran it in 2:47 yesterday.
If the timing is not messed up (and I highly doubt that), she produced one of the greatest streches of ultrarunning finals sprints ever, at the end of a heat torture ultramarathon, on the steepest climb you can find on the race by far.
I really don't care enough to research, but MeHereYouWhere?! nine posts above yours points out a women's split of 2:48, so one of you is wrong.
Just for reference, - the female course record split from 122 to 135 is 3:24 hours. - the MALE course record split from 122 to 135 is 3:10 hours. And that is by Ishikawa, one of the established names in the sport. - Ashley Paulson just ran it in 2:47 yesterday.
If the timing is not messed up (and I highly doubt that), she produced one of the greatest streches of ultrarunning finals sprints ever, at the end of a heat torture ultramarathon, on the steepest climb you can find on the race by far.
Just for reference, - the female course record split from 122 to 135 is 3:24 hours. - the MALE course record split from 122 to 135 is 3:10 hours. And that is by Ishikawa, one of the established names in the sport. - Ashley Paulson just ran it in 2:47 yesterday.
If the timing is not messed up (and I highly doubt that), she produced one of the greatest streches of ultrarunning finals sprints ever, at the end of a heat torture ultramarathon, on the steepest climb you can find on the race by far.
I really don't care enough to research, but MeHereYouWhere?! nine posts above yours points out a women's split of 2:48, so one of you is wrong.
The results are here: http://dbase.adventurecorps.com/results.php?bw_eid=96&bwr=Go. Both course records were set 2019. You can check the splits, I would love to be wrong. There is no easy way to figure out different split records, but it wont be relevant anyway.
There are multiple occasions of people sleeping for a few hours on the course before finishing the race (due to the long cutoff), so comparing someone running on course record pace with the best ever split by a finisher is not practical. I would prefer to compare with other all out performances, like the already mentioned course records.
Banned triathlete Julie Miller is back racing, this time at ultras - Canadian Running Magazine
Seems like a thing for cheating triathletes to move on to ultras.
I was also looking for an article about a female triathlete who had a friend do part of the race for her, maybe I'm remembering incorrectly on that case.
Just for reference, - the female course record split from 122 to 135 is 3:24 hours. - the MALE course record split from 122 to 135 is 3:10 hours. And that is by Ishikawa, one of the established names in the sport. - Ashley Paulson just ran it in 2:47 yesterday.
If the timing is not messed up (and I highly doubt that), she produced one of the greatest streches of ultrarunning finals sprints ever, at the end of a heat torture ultramarathon, on the steepest climb you can find on the race by far.
I really don't care enough to research, but MeHereYouWhere?! nine posts above yours points out a women's split of 2:48, so one of you is wrong.
The poster was only looking at what the course record holder's splits were. I was looking at the fastest splits for that specific section regardless of whether the course record holder did it. Jennifer (Jen) Vogel did the 2:48 for women and I think finished 3rd woman that year.
Seems like a thing for cheating triathletes to move on to ultras.
These types of events seem attract a lot of narcissistic personalities. The longer distance events also allow of more opportunities to cheat. Ultras also tend to be slightly more "laid back" and run on an honor system. The whole point for 99% of the participants is to push one's self to one's personal limits; not to skirt rules/dope/cheat to a hallow unfulfilling victory.
even if they weren't laidback, it's not possible to follow somebody on a roadbike across riverbeds and up cliff trails for 100km. the only way you could check for sure that people weren't cutting sections would be to have GPS tracking devices on everybody.
even if they weren't laidback, it's not possible to follow somebody on a roadbike across riverbeds and up cliff trails for 100km. the only way you could check for sure that people weren't cutting sections would be to have GPS tracking devices on everybody.
I'm shocked that they don't! A GPS chip combined with spotters at many locations and cameras at locations that they don't know about on race day.
If I won Badwater, or even finished, I'd have that strava map shown bright, bold, loud and proud all over the place; on Facebook, on Instagram, Twitter and all the rest.
"135 Miles"
BAM!
But..."This account is private." I guess, some people are just very private people.
If I won Badwater, or even finished, I'd have that strava map shown bright, bold, loud and proud all over the place; on Facebook, on Instagram, Twitter and all the rest.
"135 Miles"
BAM!
But..."This account is private." I guess, some people are just very private people.
I have truly never been on strava in my life, but yes, for a narcissistic personality, why make it private?????
I don’t think it’s a good idea in general for women to have their Strava open so anyone can see their running routes, normal habits, etc. That in itself isn’t suspicious. Unless she put it on private right before the race and it was normally open.
But with her history she hasn’t earned any benefit of the doubt and it’s inevitable and deserved that people will question her.
If I won Badwater, or even finished, I'd have that strava map shown bright, bold, loud and proud all over the place; on Facebook, on Instagram, Twitter and all the rest.
"135 Miles"
BAM!
But..."This account is private." I guess, some people are just very private people.
I have truly never been on strava in my life, but yes, for a narcissistic personality, why make it private?????
I'm not saying this woman cheated. In fact, I'm going to go on record and say she did not break the rules, she ran the whole course, followed all the rules, and had an incredible legitimate race.
But I'd still like to see the Strava.
Why? Because it would be cool as hell to see someone's course record shattering strava data. That's an incredible, life affirming, career defining achievement in one's career and life. I want to look at it, analyze it, study it and be in awe of it. Of all the crap we put on social media, random thoughts, our lunch, stupid dog pics...Then you win the hardest race in the world and you don't post that....Uh...wut?
I don't understand the potential of somebody to help somebody else cheat at something like this. So starting with the twin, but then people in the car would have to help her catch up to substitute herself back in the race for the twin. Not a problem believing one would do it but several people? How does that happen?
