generalised anxiety disorder

Yawn^9 wrote:

Instead of encouraging people to be the masters of their own destiny, tell them to seek refuge in pills and paid “professionals” most of which are hacks.

Do you know anything about CBT, the therapy that has been most often advocated on this thread? It it is not anything like the "therapy" that you are railing against.

For example:

1) The premise of CBT is that mood disorders such as anxiety and depression are caused by misguided ways of thinking. When people change the way they think, their mood often improves. In other words, they can be "masters of their own destiny."

2) However, for most people, knowing their thinking determines their mood is not very helpful. To make use of this insight, most people need more. CB therapy is about giving people that "more." That "more" ranges from providing accountability to developing an effective exercise program they can use to get control of their thinking, and thus of their mood.

3) One of the main goals of CBT is to teach people practical, nuts and bolts techniques they can use to change their mental habits, and thus end their suffering. In very real sense, CBT empowers people by giving them the tools to get control over their moods. CB therapists use a variety of techniques, many of which have been discussed by posters above.

4) Another goal of CBT is to give people easy and effective ways of measure their moods, so they can tell more precisely how depressed or anxious they are. The goal is to make sure that therapy is helping. If it isn't, it's time to try another technique.

OozmaKappa wrote:

Tastes Like Chicken wrote:

Do you know anything about CBT.

Yeah I know a thing or two about c😂ck and ball torture hehe

Not sure what that has anything to do with the discussion these drug addicts are having here though.

judging by the lack of sophistication this guy is probably a high schooler trollin lmao

queen_bee wrote:

judging by the lack of sophistication this guy is probably a high schooler trollin lmao

In spirit, if not in fact.

I did. Turned to Bible and Christian faith.

Yes. I'm struggled much of my adult life with this condition. It can get better. I'm about 10 years on since my first "episode". I find the best metaphor is that I'm learning to come home to myself. To reside in my body, to allow every painful anxiety pang and symptom, to let go of resistance because resistance perpetuates the misery. I've tried countless therapies and treatments and to some extent they have all helped in a way but I think most importantly is that I've just continued to improve my mindfulness, to heal the deep wounds that lie at the core of deep anxiety, at learning to self soothe better. I've stuck with therapy, SSRIs, exercise, better sleep, decent nutrition. When things get tough I realize that the answer for a short time might be benzos and that' s okay. I've done TMS, ketamine, EMDR, CBT, EFT tapping over the years and these have all provided some benefit even if I can't fully understand how. All the things you learn become tools and you grow stronger. I don't know that a "cure" exists but I think we can learn to allow and manage and have better periods. It is certainly different for everyone.

I suffered from debilitating anxiety and panic attacks. I had to psych myself up to go to class, work, etc. My panic attacks were so bad that looking back I shouldn't have been driving. I had way too much stress in my life. Running was yet another stress ... counting miles, pace, etc. While running did offer some relief during and immediately after, the relief was relatively mild and short lived. 18 months of Zoloft helped. The panic attacks hit me out of the blue and after having enough of them, basically every thing or situation became associated with an overwhelming sense of anxiety. I lived in a constant state of anxiety and it was absolutely terrible.

Thinking back to that bad time, I would look through the peephole of our apartment door before going outside - and would wait to go out if there was anyone in the hallway. It was terrified that I might have to say "hello" to our perfectly nice neighbor. I would check, recheck and triple check my backpack to make sure that I had extra pens and pencils "just in case" even though I had 10 to 15 each. I would be standing at the urinal taking a whiz, then would become overcome with anxiety when I had the thought "Did I walk in to the women's restroom?" I couldn't go to sleep without looking out the window to survey the parking lot of our apartment complex, I called it "checking on Gotham City". Everything that I did was motivated by anxiety ... basically anxiety to avoid anxiety. "If I don't do x then y will happen" along with lots of "chained" thoughts. If I don't study for this exam, I will fail the class, if I fail the class, I will get kicked out of the program >> I will get kicked out of school >> I won't be able to get a job to pay back student loans, saddled with debt >> wife will divorce me >> on and on. The out of control thoughts were exhausting. Everything triggered thoughts of failure or negative consequences. All of the thoughts were "rapid fire". At the same time I couldn't stay on task because one thought would lead to another which would trigger another thought about another tangentially related thought and another and another ... Not a good way to spend your life. At its worst, I would briefly make eye contact with someone and I "knew" that the other person knew what I was thinking which produced more anxiety.

Finally, the logical side of me got a few CPU cycles and I decided to get some professional help.

Yawn^9 wrote:

[quote]queen_bee wrote:

[quote]Yawn^9 wrote:

If you allow something like work to give you a panic attack, you are a weak person

To state this opinion as fact, with no knowledge of an individual's life circumstance or occupation, is laughable. Crawl out of your box, you seem very sheltered.

it will be ok wrote:

Yawn^9 wrote:

[quote]queen_bee wrote:

[quote]Yawn^9 wrote:

If you allow something like work to give you a panic attack, you are a weak person

To state this opinion as fact, with no knowledge of an individual's life circumstance or occupation, is laughable. Crawl out of your box, you seem very sheltered.

Yep people who don't experience certain things themselves can be incredibly ignorant. Having compassion means trying to understand the thing you're not going through but someone else is dealing with.

it will be ok wrote:

Yawn^9 wrote:

[quote]queen_bee wrote:

[quote]Yawn^9 wrote:

If you allow something like work to give you a panic attack, you are a weak person

To state this opinion as fact, with no knowledge of an individual's life circumstance or occupation, is laughable. Crawl out of your box, you seem very sheltered.

No, I’ll double down on it. Sure maybe the exception exists for a profession like soldier, but if you have a panic attack while researching stock options, flipping a burger, or any other normal job, then that is a sign of weakness.

Leftist logic dictates that we must not question the absurdity of people getting panic attacks from hearing their own footsteps. ✨compassion✨

OozmaKappa wrote:

Leftist logic dictates that we must not question the absurdity of people getting panic attacks from hearing their own footsteps. ✨compassion✨

Yep, bring in the therapy dogs.

They then call you names and say you don’t have compassion. I think it’s the opposite of compassion and caring when you allow someone to live as a victim.

Make a mistake at work? A relationship falls apart? Bad race? Blame anxiety instead of looking at what actually caused the problem. It’s all about responsibility. Some people, not all, use it as a crutch.

Yawn^9 wrote:

It’s all about responsibility. Some people, not all, use it as a crutch.

Isn't a crutch something people use when they are not healthy so that they can recover? I can't tell if you are being critical or not.

"Haha sorry my anxiety and depression wont let me do [basic function]. Now make special accomodations for me, bigot🤬"

deleuze wrote:

Yawn^9 wrote:

It’s all about responsibility. Some people, not all, use it as a crutch.

Isn't a crutch something people use when they are not healthy so that they can recover? I can't tell if you are being critical or not.

Wait are you confused about English bc it's not your first language or are you trying (and failing) to sound smart?

I empathize with you. This reminds me of the book "Turtles All the Way Down" by John Green; the main character spirals a bit similar to this. You'll get through it!

nervous nellie, I suggest you approach this problem from two fronts: mental and nutriceutical. Be prepared to spend a little money to test the following approaches.

Mental: I'd suggest you read or get the audiobook of Awaken the Power Within by Tony Robbins and the Audiobook Unleash the Power Within by Robbins. Some posters here may ridicule this suggestion but ignore them. You don't need to follow or agree with 100% of what he says. Just find the parts that work for you. In my opinion, Robbins does a great job of teaching the NLP techniques of reframing and pattern interrupts. If those are the only things you learn how to do, they can change your life. I use reframing at least every week. It is an amazing tool to get out of what others have described here and what recovering alcoholics call "stinky thinking."

Nutriceuticals: Sometimes, emotional problems are caused by chemical imbalances, but figuring out what works is a bit of trial and error. Two of my women friends swear by Amare Global products. (One admits that she considered suicide.) They're pricey, but being mentally well is worth it. I'm sure you can find out about them online. Another option would be CBD oil. I personally found zero effects, but then I'm not particularly stressed. There are a few other mental health nutriceuticals. Off the top of my head, 5-HTP is one. I'm sure there are several. It wouldn't cost much to buy a bottle and try it for 30 days. I would suggest that you buy nutriceuticals from a company with a high level of product quality. I mostly buy from Life Extension or the Kirkland brand at Costco. You don't want to rule out a nutriceutical that might work just because the quality is poor in the brand you tried. If it works, you can switch to a less expensive brand but if you buy on sale, there's not much price difference. Let's say you try 5 products and the first 4 don't work, but then the 5th one does. Success! My point is don't give up. Your brain might need something different... so find it.

Oh, one final point. Just because something works for someone else doesn't mean it will work for you and vice versa.

OozmaKappa wrote:

Wait are you confused about English bc it's not your first language or are you trying (and failing) to sound smart?

Sounds like you've got some stuff to "work out." Some good advice on this thread for you.