There is no “genetic superiority” when it comes to distance running. Literally everyone sub 2:09 is just doping.

Your math is based on your assumptions - as you have made clear. It cannot be precise. Howman's estimates are not assumptions but an expert and informed assessment of a practice that he knows cannot be constrained. But you know nothing about that.

There are a lot of events that have their own world championships that aren't in the Olympics because they aren't significant enough. That is XC. It was removed ninety or so years ago because it was considered no longer relevant. It is a "specialist" event in the sense that it isn't part of the main staple of running events, from the sprints to the marathon, which remain as Olympic events.

Why do you think so?

It seems you havn't understood - as so often.

This has become a dialogue with one who talks in his sleep. You have lost all coherence. Come back when you are awake.

Shirking an answer like an eel.

Dishonesty can't be exposed more clearly.

East Africans dominate the World Cross Country championships since 1982 (Ethiopia already won men's team in 1981, they didn't participate before). It always was an extremely big event in the athletics calendar. Just in recent years it lost little bit of his resume.

What was the reason for this partly astonishing dominance (for ex. top 8 juniors in 85)? Doping? Which kind of doping which was not available (or was avoided) to the rest of the world?

You just have not understood the point - as so often.

For you it's middle of night, not for me.

You have no point. You never do.

XC is about as important as championship darts. But if it's a competition E Africans will dope for it. As they did.

It has become farcical how the defenders of Kenyan "natural talent" look for every reason to justify Kenyan success but the one that stares us in the face, that their athletes have doped in their droves for decades. It didn't just begin out of nowhere this year.

So all those junior runners just were successful because they doped (and the rest didn't do so)? - stop posting again.

I have many - usually you are just not going to answer them.

You guys are awesome, making me go down memory lane.
Brief summary, looking at the very top:
Kenyan XC team gold, men: nonstop 86 – 03, 06 – 11
Kenyan XC team gold, women: nonstop 91 – 93, 95, 96, 98, 01, 09 – 13, 17

BTT, see thread topic, marathon:
1st Olympic medal (silver) in 88, 1st Olympic gold in 2008 (men), men and women silver in 12, men and women gold in 16 and 20

Kenyan Berlin winners:
By decade, men: 80s 0; 90s 3, 00s 6, 10s 8
By decade, women: 80s 0, 90s 1, 00s 0, 10s 6

Kenyan Boston winners:
By decade, men: 80s 1; 90s 9, 00s 7, 10s 5
By decade, women: 80s 0, 90s 0, 00s 7, 10s 5

Kenyan Chicago winners:
By decade, men: 80s 1; 90s 1, 00s 8, 10s 7
By decade, women: 80s 0, 90s 2, 00s 2, 10s 5

Kenyan London winners:
By decade, men: 80s 1, 90s 0, 00s 6, 10s 5
By decade, women: 80s 0, 90s 2, 00s 2, 10s 8

Kenyan New York City winners:
By decade, men: 80s 1, 90s 4, 00s 4, 10s 6
By decade, women: 80s 0, 90s 2, 00s 3, 10s 7

Please double check and correct counting errors.

Still going with your pathetic excuses? I said it before, but I have never seen a sport where apologists have to spout pseudoscientific, half-baked nonsense about "genetics" to try to cover up epidemic levels of doping. The culture of running is really just a culture of doping and cheating, and it ruined the sport. Well done.

I have said nothing about genetics, Coevett.

What's the reason for the astonishing Kenyan and Ethiopian Cross Country success starting immediately after they competed at the event in the early 1980s? Especially in the junior divisions.

If you say doping Coevett, explain it more detailed. Which sort of doping which was not available in the rest of the world but only in those two countries.

Both propositions are true.
1) Kalenjin, oromos and somalis in East Africa have unique history and are genetically adapted to run faster. You just need to visit random school in Kalenjin land and assemble 10yrs old and see it for yourself
2) Doping started somewhere early in 1980s and 1990s.There is a lot of doping.

The Tanzania marathon Gabriel Geay who came third in Valencia come the only remaining microsom of that 2000 existence of - kalenjin/oromo community near Lake Nyasa in Tanzania - where Datooga(kalenjin) lives near Iraq (remnant of oromos) and Hadza(aboriginal of East Africa)

Large oromo,somalis and Kalenjin moved East Africa from Sudan to the current mostly great rift valley near the equator earlier than other Africans - bar the aboriginals - and have unique genetic adaptation - that are very apparent. There is doping because even within kalenjin it very tough to beat even your own sibling. That is where most of doping is targeted at.

Gabriel Geay (he must be Iraqw) of Tanzania home area near lake Nyasa is good study case of the remnant that explain the linkage between Kalenjin and Oromos - their break up from other Africa tribes of the niles - and their stay in East Africa with the Aboriginals of Africa - for at least 1,000yrs before other tribes - mostly Bantus from West Africa and other Nilotes like Maasai joined them.
Almost all the althetes in East Africa - Tanzania, Uganda, Kenya, Somali and Ethiopia - come from that genetic pool - that got adapted to living in highlands of east africa near the equator.

It started in 1980s AND 1990s? Only in Kenya and Ethiopia?