Did Mike Rossi (viral marathon dad) cheat his way into Boston?

maybe he read this website:

http://www.healthyhappierbear.com/2012/03/07/how-to-improve-your-marathon-time-from-456-to-311/

Thanks for sharing your story. It's all pretty self evident for those of us who have been down this road before. Literally down this road.

It's like a physical/physiological impossibility to run your best marathon unless you average 60-70 mpw in the 6 months previous.

abingtonrunner wrote:

devil's advocate wrote:

so I'm not saying he will, I don't think he can or did, but if he ran a 3:15 in 2015 would that mean he could have done 3:11 in 2014?

what exactly is the standard of proof for our court of public opinion?

clearly we have met a reasonable standard for suspicion, but beyond that?

He just ran in this weekend's Broad Street 10 Mile Race. His time, 1:20:32, 8:03/mile. Using

http://merv.stanford.edu/runcalc

, this equates to 26.2 miles in 3:45:53, 8:36.9/mile, for what it is worth,

Which by the way, is an incredibly fast course as it is straight, relatively flat-to-downhill. The US 10 Mile record was set here.

not according to letsrunners

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3951745

Right where he should be based on every bit of his history EXCEPT his BQ, where there is no evidence that he's on the course except the finish line.

abingtonrunner wrote:

He just ran in this weekend's Broad Street 10 Mile Race. His time, 1:20:32, 8:03/mile. Using

, this equates to 26.2 miles in 3:45:53, 8:36.9/mile, for what it is worth,[/quote]

WWRD wrote:

Right where he should be based on every bit of his history EXCEPT his BQ, where there is no evidence that he's on the course except the finish line.

abingtonrunner wrote:

He just ran in this weekend's Broad Street 10 Mile Race. His time, 1:20:32, 8:03/mile. Using

http://merv.stanford.edu/runcalc

, this equates to 26.2 miles in 3:45:53, 8:36.9/mile, for what it is worth,

I agree and concur.

I am really waiting for this thread to deteriorate like that San Antonio marathon cheaters thread where 6 people post under 163 names with nothing but pure insanity, name calling, and the most clear case of personality disorders ever seen on LRC.

Has anyone contacted any of the Lehigh finishers yet to ask about anything suspicious? How else did we get the Kip Litton smoking gun pics of him walking on the course? The sweaty pic makes it clear that Mike DID run, or that he was smart enough to cover himself in water in a very sweat like fashion, but he had to have left the course and came back, right? Are we doomed due to the relay issue where he could jump out and no one would notice?

abingtonrunner wrote:

devil's advocate wrote:

so I'm not saying he will, I don't think he can or did, but if he ran a 3:15 in 2015 would that mean he could have done 3:11 in 2014?

what exactly is the standard of proof for our court of public opinion?

clearly we have met a reasonable standard for suspicion, but beyond that?

He just ran in this weekend's Broad Street 10 Mile Race. His time, 1:20:32, 8:03/mile. Using

http://merv.stanford.edu/runcalc

, this equates to 26.2 miles in 3:45:53, 8:36.9/mile, for what it is worth,

That lines up up very well with his Philly Marathon time not his 3:11. Plus, that labrum "injury" must have heeled quite nicely over the last couple of weeks.

I completely agree. After seeing him hamming it up in the media tent I almost puked.

In fairness to the other 52 year old Mike Rossi, shouldn't this thread be changed to Mike Rossi from Rydal or something???????

Just seems kinda uncool that the other Mike Rossi is gonna get swept up in this through no fault of his own

I would also be interested to see a match race between:

Kip Litton

Parveneh

and Mike Rossi from Rydal

and that girl from st. Louis or wherever

abingtonrunner wrote:

He just ran in this weekend's Broad Street 10 Mile Race. His time, 1:20:32, 8:03/mile. Using

http://merv.stanford.edu/runcalc

, this equates to 26.2 miles in 3:45:53, 8:36.9/mile, for what it is worth,

I don't know why on Earth he decided to run Broad Street if he says he was injured and suffering in Boston.... but that would be an excuse for slow time there and in Boston.

I think he did run the 3:11.

Using performance-enhancing drugs.

Cheater!

Can't be that good. Kip Litton got by you.

d2xccoach wrote:

JayRuns4Food wrote:

Running Vermont in a few weeks. Going to need a pickup at about mile 10, drop off at mile 23. Any takers?

Do that and you'll miss the chip mat at mile 13.1. Plus the mat at mile 20. Plus the other mat that is going to be somewhere between mile 10.0 and mile 22.0, but I ain't telling you where! Plus our photographers and video at mile 13.3 and 14.8...and wherever else we decide to put a camera so that when somebody says "my chip must have malfunctioned" we can go to the pics/video.

I'm the guy who reviews the results for VCM, and I invite anybody to check them out when they get posted. Switek looked them over last year. What will be up Sunday night will be unofficial, by Tuesday morning we'll be making updates as need be.

captain sparrow wrote:

Has anyone contacted any of the Lehigh finishers yet to ask about anything suspicious? How else did we get the Kip Litton smoking gun pics of him walking on the course? The sweaty pic makes it clear that Mike DID run, or that he was smart enough to cover himself in water in a very sweat like fashion, but he had to have left the course and came back, right? Are we doomed due to the relay issue where he could jump out and no one would notice?

Kip Litton had a very different strategy because what he was doing was much more difficult-- he was cheating at courses with several timing mats, which required him to jump on and off the course without being noticed. (In fact, even though we know he cheated, there is still some question as to how the hell he pulled it off.) Litton would start at the very, very back of the pack in order to be next to people who wouldn't notice someone walking/jogging slowly/leaving the course. He would then leave the course and reappear near a mat, jog through it, leave the course again, repeat, etc. You could find "smoking gun" pictures of him walking because he couldn't jump back on the course with backpackers and start running 7:00 miles-- he'd stick out like a sore thumb.

Rossi's task was much easier and the lack of mats means it's going to be tough to find that level of proof. It seems pretty clear that he ran, at most, a few miles of the marathon. Without mats or a picture of him actually walking off the course, I'm not sure what else we can find.

Looks like a TomTom.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FTomTom-Runner-GPS-Watch-Grey%2Fdp%2FB00D7LN7K4&ei=tCpJVazJJMn_yQTAlIGwDQ&bvm=bv.92291466,d.aWw&psig=AFQjCNFr-UsfINV529yy1h7ZVZcKtG_BEw&ust=1430944813479729

Guys who run well on just 45 mpw have either put in the higher mileage in previous stints or are simply really talented, and in any case have been running (either off or on) for many years previous. Rydal Rossi is not that guy!!!!

Prisoner of Zenda wrote:

I would also be interested to see a match race between:

Kip Litton

Parveneh

and Mike Rossi from Rydal

and that girl from st. Louis or wherever

They should form a celebrity marathon relay team and run for charity to redeem themselves.

Ok everyone. THe spreadsheet showing how everyone withiin 50 spots (100 people) of Rossi were all photographed at least twice out on the course besides the finish and Rossi was photographed zero times is now done:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1o6QNphLQ7ZV_sPSCyaFV4Tm1rmOlol_AO5cxF3Lam-Q/edit#gid=0

GREAT WORK.

I think it would be worthwhile to add in 5k/10k/13.1 tiimes for the finsihers near him to show hwo others run races showing the fitness to run 3:11.

How about we do look up recent race results for the 10 people who finished directly in front of him and directly behind him at Lehigh Valley?

I've bolded them in the spreadsheet but don't really know how to look up their times? Can someone tell us the best way to look up their recent race results. I added in their hometowns and ages to make sure we get the right person. What website do you go to to look this up?

FOR THOSE 20 PEOPLE, please put down any race results from the start of 2012 that indicate they were capable of sub-3:20. According to McMillan, the following times are equivalent to 3:20:00:

5K -20:32

5Mi - 34:02

10Km -42:38

10Mi- 1:11:15

1/2 Mar -1:35:02

Put that in here. Not all 100 people. Let's just do 20.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1o6QNphLQ7ZV_sPSCyaFV4Tm1rmOlol_AO5cxF3Lam-Q/edit#gid=0

Once we get that. I'll probably start writing an article. Please email me if you have the contact info for Mr. Rossi as I'll need to ask him for a statement.

My email is

Robertjohnson@letsrun.com

Has anyone contacted the Lehigh/Via RD? Seems there is now ample evidence that the RD can now to write Mr. Rossi and ask him point blank if he ran the entire course. Just for the record to get his version of events and why he did not appear in any mid-course photos.