The bar has been raised: Ethiopia just had 7 men under 2:04:45 and 6 women 2:20:45 or better in one race

Calculon wrote:

Takinadump wrote:

In before some fool posts that Rupp could easily have run 2:03:50 and won the race.

Fool! The data indicate Rupp ---> 3:50--->7:30--->2:04

Unless he summoned the spirit of Ryun in a prerace seance, then 2:01!!!!!

That would be really odd, cause Ryun might be needing his spirit for awhile longer.

yepppppp wrote:

It's clearly a great, fast course.... and there's decent money payouts well past just the top 3 finishers... i understand why it attracts the people it attracts. However, i do not understand why it does not also attract american (and japanese) racers? Seems like there are a lot of guys who are not realistically contending for Major wins but could PR 3-5mins in Dubai and maybe even make some cash.

If Rupp went there and ran 2:10 plus in 25th place it wouldn't look good for him.

Takinadump wrote:

In before some fool posts that Rupp could easily have run 2:03:50 and won the race.

Rupp could easily have run 2:03:50 and won the race.

Samuel Kamau WANJIRU, Kenya (Marathon)

Born 10 November 1986, Nyahururu, Laikipia District, formerly in Kenya's Central Region, but now in Rift Valley

Manager: Federico Rosa

On August 26, 2005, Wanjiru set a new World junior record over 10,000m (26:41.75) at the IAAF Golden League Van Damme Memorial race in Brussels. Then on 11 September, he set his first Half Marathon World record (59:16) in Rotterdam, beating the mark held by Paul Tergat since 1998. Wanjiru finished a storming 2005 season by winning Kenya’s Most Promising Sportsman of the Year award.

Wanjiru started 2006 on a sour note as he lost his World Half Marathon record to Ethiopian track and road running legend Haile Gebrselassie (58:55) on 15 January. A relatively unsuccessful 2006 for Wanjiru was put to rest early in 2007 when he reclaimed his World Half Marathon record in Ras Al Khaimah, UAE, on 9 February (58:53).

Paul Tergat, who was at the finish line as a (non-competing) guest of honour, picking up a cheque from the Crown Prince of Ras Al Khaimah for the Paul Tergat Foundation.

But the day belonged to Wanjiru. His winning cheque, like that for Adere was $20,000.

But with one of the objects of the race to put Ras Al Khaimah on the map, the man most responsible for the development of one of the smaller of the Emirates, the Crown Prince, Sheikh Saud Bin Saqr Al Qasimi, showed his appreciation of Wanjiru’s geography lesson by giving the young Kenyan an impromptu $5000 bonus.

https://www.iaaf.org/news/news/5853-half-marathon-world-record-by-wanjiru-in

This mark was however NOT RATIFIED since EPO tests were NOT CONDUCTED on athletes.

Wanjiru began 2008 by winning Granollers half marathon in Spain in 59:26 before competing in the lucrative Zayed International marathon in the UAE winning $300,000 with which he promised to buy his mother a tractor to farm their land.

https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/kenya/samuel-kamau-wanjiru-191338

Brief story wrote:

Some pompous english jerk burst into Ngugi's home demanding his blood without identifying himself and without any Kenyan officials present.

Ngugi rightfully tossed the jerk out on his ass, and was banned.

How was Ngugi tested all of the other times out of competition?

The pompous English jerk was the same guy who moved out of the way for Snell in '64.

The Zayed International Half Marathon was an annual road running competition which takes place in January in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates. The inaugural edition of the half marathon race, named after race patron Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan, was held in 2008.

The first edition featured many top international runners as the organisers offered a large amount of prize money, including a first prize of $300,000... and a total pot of $2 million!!!

That is pretty good prize money for winning a 13.1 mile race in the UAE.

Samuel Wanjiru (the world record holder in the event) won the men's race in 1:00:33 while Lornah Kiplagat (the two-time World Road Running champion for the Netherlands) took the prize for the female competition.

Furious reactions have greeted an expose by German television ARD and The Sunday Times alleging doping in the country.

On Sunday, United Kingdom based Sunday Times and German television ARD ran a shocking documentary on doping scandals at the elite training camps.

They alleged that packets of performance-enhancing substance erythropoietin (EPO) were discarded in the centre’s communal kitchen at the High Altitude Training Centre (HATC) in Iten owned by Dutchman Pieter Langerhorst and his wife Lornah Kiplagat, the former world 21km record holder.

They also claimed to have discovered an EPO syringe in a rubbish bin just outside HATC.

Olympic and world champion Mo Farah, world marathon record holder Paula Radcliffe, are among top British athletes that have trained at the camp.

The British middle distance runner Eilish McColgan said she was not surprised to hear further doping revelations coming out of Kenya – but says she has not witnessed any suspicious activity while on training camps in the country. “We’re secluded from it maybe, but it’s not a major surprise,” she said. “I don’t think Kenya is the only country at it. Ethiopia are probably similar because of the lack of testing.

“I’ve spoken out before about the testing procedures, that it’s not the same as in the UK. It’s nowhere near as strict. That definitely needs to change if they want to eradicate the problem.”

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/sports/article/2000208303/we-are-not-dopers-hatc-owners-st-luke-hospital-and-athlete-dismiss-doping-expose

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jul/10/kenya-doping-claims-testing-procedures-four-british-athletes-epo-athletics

It is just a coincidence.

If Dubai is soooo fast and there's no testing why the Americans don't go there to show those "Ethiopian nobodies" how to run a marathon???

PS

El Keniano, where are you when Kenya cries...

masterofdisaster wrote:

If Dubai is soooo fast and there's no testing why the Americans don't go there to show those "Ethiopian nobodies" how to run a marathon???

PS

El Keniano, where are you when Kenya cries...

They can run at the Houston marathon.

Whoops:

The International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) and the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) notified the Houston Marathon Committee that 2016 Houston Marathon participants Gebo Burka (first place) and Girmay Gebru (runner-up) were sanctioned for anti-doping rule violations.

Both runners from Ethiopia were removed from the results and the 2016 final standings updated.

Birhanu Gedefa, the 2015 Houston Marathon winner, was awarded the 2016 title and prize money was reallocated in accordance with the new results.

The Houston Marathon Committee is dedicated to upholding the integrity and credibility of our events, and we will continue to partner with the national and international governing bodies, as well as our peers in the long distance running industry, to protect the sport.

...then at the 2017 Houston Marathon and Half-Marathon races...

... ETHIOPIANS WITHDRAW:

Two top Ethiopian women, 2015 world marathon champion Mare Dibaba and 2015 Virgin Money London Marathon winner Tigist Tufa, have withdrawn from tomorrow’s Aramco Houston Half-Marathon.

Dibaba experienced a death in the family, according to her manager, Hussein Makke, while organizers said Tufa was nursing an unspecified injury.

In the Chevron Houston Marathon, men’s defending champion Birhanu Gedefa was not able to obtain his visa in time.

Gedefa actually finished last year’s race in third position...but became the race champion when both Gebo Burka and Girmay Gebru were disqualified retroactively for DOPING

It is just a coincidence.

Brief story wrote:

Some pompous english jerk burst into Ngugi's home demanding his blood without identifying himself and without any Kenyan officials present.

Ngugi rightfully tossed the jerk out on his ass, and was banned.

Whil Wheaton wrote:

How was Ngugi tested all of the other times out of competition?

He always passed every test easily.

3 pages in and No comments about course cutting or the course being short?

some fool wrote:

Takinadump wrote:

In before some fool posts that Rupp could easily have run 2:03:50 and won the race.

Rupp could easily have run 2:03:50 and won the race.

At first I thought the idea of Rupp running sub 2:04 was ridiculous, but think about it for a second. Sissay Lemma just ran 2:04:08 in Dubai. Rupp destroyed him in Chicago, putting almost two minutes on him in the last 5 miles. If Rupp beat him so easily in Chicago, why shouldn't Rupp be able to run 2:04 pace with him in Dubai?

snow blow wrote:

some fool wrote:

Rupp could easily have run 2:03:50 and won the race.

At first I thought the idea of Rupp running sub 2:04 was ridiculous, but think about it for a second. Sissay Lemma just ran 2:04:08 in Dubai. Rupp destroyed him in Chicago, putting almost two minutes on him in the last 5 miles. If Rupp beat him so easily in Chicago, why shouldn't Rupp be able to run 2:04 pace with him in Dubai?

He's proven his 10k speed and he's at level, he needs to get out there and race!!

Here's why .. wrote:

yepppppp wrote:

It's clearly a great, fast course.... and there's decent money payouts well past just the top 3 finishers... i understand why it attracts the people it attracts. However, i do not understand why it does not also attract american (and japanese) racers? Seems like there are a lot of guys who are not realistically contending for Major wins but could PR 3-5mins in Dubai and maybe even make some cash.

If Rupp went there and ran 2:10 plus in 25th place it wouldn't look good for him.

2.10 would have been 10th place.

To finish 25th man you only needed to run 2.36.

25th woman ran 3.17.

Dubai is a strange race. Something seems not quite right.

snow blow wrote:

some fool wrote:

Rupp could easily have run 2:03:50 and won the race.

At first I thought the idea of Rupp running sub 2:04 was ridiculous, but think about it for a second. Sissay Lemma just ran 2:04:08 in Dubai. Rupp destroyed him in Chicago, putting almost two minutes on him in the last 5 miles. If Rupp beat him so easily in Chicago, why shouldn't Rupp be able to run 2:04 pace with him in Dubai?

Why? Because Alberto doesn’t let him.

This course is all about the time, like Berlin. If I compare courses, my guess is:

- Dubai, Frankfurt, Berlin, and Rotterdam arethe fastest (maybe 45 secs to a minute faster than London).

- Tokyo, Chicago, Fukuoka, and London are similar.

- Boston and NYC are 60 seconds or more slower than London, except when the wind pushes runners in a Boston.

The. Factor in pacing and time incentives. I like no-rabbit races better for competition. It’s slower but see ms more like a race than a time trial with a sprint finish.

EPO is a helluva drug. That and no out of season testing / out of competition testing. Awesome.

A matter of record `' wrote:

Brief story wrote:

Some pompous english jerk burst into Ngugi's home demanding his blood without identifying himself and without any Kenyan officials present.

Ngugi rightfully tossed the jerk out on his ass, and was banned.

Whil Wheaton wrote:

How was Ngugi tested all of the other times out of competition?

He always passed every test easily.

You are lying. Ngugi was on the lam, constantly, to keep from being tested. After Ngugi was cornered Kenyan officials began holding up testers and telling them that athlete A and athlete B etc. were out of town, not accessible by phone, telling the testers all kinds of stories - which continue to this day. No one "burst into Ngugi's home," lol. He simply refused to be tested when they finally caught up with him. Not like today's Kenyans, say Rudisha, who had someone else take the tests for him in '16 - while the media only mentioned one Kenyan caught "filling in" when in fact it was going on all through the Games in Rio.

Dopes wrote:

This happens every year in Dubai. None of the big names go, a load of Ethiopians, who aren't well known, run unbelievably good times and aren't ever seen again.

It's like they invite 2nd tier Ethiopians and tell them there won't be testing...

Nonsense. PEDs don't work, statistics show they slow you down, and any way, statistics also show that EPO massively raised performances in Africa which proves that all EPO did was put Africans on an equal footing with white blood dopers.