The reason it can (very reasonably actually) be construed as racist is because you don't tend to make the "American-born" or "Canadian-born" statements when the athlete you're referring to is white.
The reason it can (very reasonably actually) be construed as racist is because you don't tend to make the "American-born" or "Canadian-born" statements when the athlete you're referring to is white.
- No credibility, you better back it up .... of course the BROJOs do!
- What explains people calling themselves African American, Native American, etc
rojo wrote:
Dumb wrote:
Just say second Canadian and stop being racist af
Racist?
So by pointing out that this black Canadian NCAA champ was born in Canada and the other black Canadian NCAA champ (Simon Bairu) wasn't born in Canada, somehow we're being racist?
Can you explain that to me?
The fact that you can't see your own biases and don't want to is astonishing. How does it affect the way someone watches the race to know where someone was born? Fast running is fast running. One can appreciate that without knowing or caring where someone was born. By feeling to need to add in where someone was born you create an in and an out group and that's where biases start to take over. Look at what you did with Chicago deeming Rupp the first American born to win in years. You create a contrast between him and KK. They are both American but you felt the need to create a divide. American born is the in group- white, dominant, native. KK becomes an outsider- he's not the same as Rupp, he might not be as American as Rupp. Whether that is your intent or not, that's what this behavior does.
Yep, now FIsher will never be the first Canadian born to win NCAA XC even if he wins next year. That title belongs to Knight.
I agree that Brojos and everyone should stop the 'nationality' baiting subject lines. It just seems unnecessary. I mean, where does it end? Knight was born in Ontario, while Grant was born in Alberta (different provinces). So, if Grant wins next year, maybe the subject line be "Grant Fisher Makes History - 1st Canadian Born Male from Alberta to Win NCAAs" Or, if you are going to mention where every champ was born - you have to do it for everyone... For example, has anyone born in AK won NCAAs yet? If not, why didn't AllieO's steeple win declare her the "first steeple NCAA champ from Alaska?" Are Brojos against Alaskans? Just stop this nonsense.
Where was his mom born?
Explainer wrote:
The reason it can (very reasonably actually) be construed as racist is because you don't tend to make the "American-born" or "Canadian-born" statements when the athlete you're referring to is white.
The “American Born” Label was applied to Rupp after he won Chicago
DoBetterLRC wrote:
rojo wrote:
Racist?
So by pointing out that this black Canadian NCAA champ was born in Canada and the other black Canadian NCAA champ (Simon Bairu) wasn't born in Canada, somehow we're being racist?
Can you explain that to me?
The fact that you can't see your own biases and don't want to is astonishing. How does it affect the way someone watches the race to know where someone was born? Fast running is fast running. One can appreciate that without knowing or caring where someone was born. By feeling to need to add in where someone was born you create an in and an out group and that's where biases start to take over. Look at what you did with Chicago deeming Rupp the first American born to win in years. You create a contrast between him and KK. They are both American but you felt the need to create a divide. American born is the in group- white, dominant, native. KK becomes an outsider- he's not the same as Rupp, he might not be as American as Rupp. Whether that is your intent or not, that's what this behavior does.
Well said.
The fact he doesn’t even get it is amazing.
Who went to an Ivy here?
DoBetterLRC wrote:
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The fact that you can't see your own biases and don't want to is astonishing. How does it affect the way someone watches the race to know where someone was born? Fast running is fast running. One can appreciate that without knowing or caring where someone was born...
100% agree. I have been feeling this for years. We should do away with the National Teams at Olympics and WC. It would be a bit tougher to divide teams in the team sports, but we could come up with something. Where someone is born or his nationality is irrelevant. If we had the top 36 to 48 people in every event rather than be constrained with 3 per place where people were born or obtained citizenship, the event would be a lot better.
Same goes for NCAA. Who cares which school they go to... fast running is fast running...
Grant Fisher was 4 when he moved to the US
Simon Bairu was 3 when he moved to Canada
See what is going on? It's obvious
What is with the ‘born’ stuff wrote:
Just say Canadian. Immigration is a fact of life. In many cases these are people who were already elite runners and did not immigrate just to run. The emphasis on birthplace is getting out of hand.
, isn't it.
It is a bit weird, isn't it.
FelonDJT wrote:
Grant Fisher was 4 when he moved to the US
Simon Bairu was 3 when he moved to Canada
See what is going on? It's obvious
I don't understand
FIsher was 4 when he moved to the US, therefore he is Born in Canada
Bairu was 3 when he moved to Canada, therefore he is not born in Canada
Knight was born in Canada and simply has been going to College in the US for the past 4 years, so he is Born in Canada
What special thing is going on? It seems pretty factual to me.
Gvygygggy wrote:
FelonDJT wrote:
Grant Fisher was 4 when he moved to the US
Simon Bairu was 3 when he moved to Canada
See what is going on? It's obvious
I don't understand
FIsher was 4 when he moved to the US, therefore he is Born in Canada
Bairu was 3 when he moved to Canada, therefore he is not born in Canada
Knight was born in Canada and simply has been going to College in the US for the past 4 years, so he is Born in Canada
What special thing is going on? It seems pretty factual to me.
Nobody would ever claim GF is not a native born American.
FelonDJT wrote:
Gvygygggy wrote:
I don't understand
FIsher was 4 when he moved to the US, therefore he is Born in Canada
Bairu was 3 when he moved to Canada, therefore he is not born in Canada
Knight was born in Canada and simply has been going to College in the US for the past 4 years, so he is Born in Canada
What special thing is going on? It seems pretty factual to me.
Nobody would ever claim GF is not a native born American.
What you are saying makes no sense. FIsher is Canadian born with dual citizenship. Why would somebody say that Fisher is American born? That is just plain silly. Facts are facts.
So Fisher winning NCAA is in the same category as Meb or Abdi? An import winning an NCAA title?
FelonDJT wrote:
So Fisher winning NCAA is in the same category as Meb or Abdi? An import winning an NCAA title?
There are no Categories. FIsher is simply Canada born with Canadian Citizenship (as well as US).
So had he won, he would have been the first Canadian born athlete to do so.
If Peter Lomong wins next year, he will be the first Sudanese born athlete to win the NCAA XC.
If Baxter wins next year, he will be the first New Zealand born athlete to win NCAA XC.
If Day wins next year, he will be the first US born athlete to win NCAA XC since Rupp.
...and so on and so on...
Very simple.
Don't read too much into this.
While I recognize that the BloJos are trolling for clicks, they are using dog-whistle nativism to do so.
They are, "thought leaders" in this sport, as pathetic as that might be. So they set the tone and to a degree, the agenda. And for them, if you are not white, where you were born seems to matter.
They are trying to apply this same puerile metric to Canada. The truth is that we (Canadians) do not make this distinction because you'd end up needlessly parsing outcomes. Canadians have all benefited from recent immigration, are themselves immigrants by background, and immigration is a part of the national narrative.
How many NCAAs winners were born by c section so far?
Really interested in athletes' birth for some reason wrote:
How many NCAAs winners were born by c section so far?
Is that a new category in the para olympics
No you’re hilarious wrote:
running commenter wrote:
Justin Knight celebrated the whole last 100 meters like a total dbag. I was kind of hoping he'd trip.
God forbid someone celebrating and showing excitement about the biggest accomplishment of their life.
YOU ARE A JOKE
True.
We have a dull sport, and this guy probably would want them racing quietly through the library