How big of an asterisk should we put next to Rupp's win? Own pacer, only 2 guys broke 2:10, USADA investigation

If Rupp hired Bett as a pacer, he ought to fire him.

He hardly lead the race at all. And was rarely, if ever, near Rupp.

Rupp talked of a 2:07/2:08 pace. The pace was 2:11/2:12 until 18 miles. If they wanted Bett to keep an honest pace, he did a crap job.

If they wanted him to slow it down...well, the race worked out that way all on it's own.

Salazar circumvented the no pacers rule to help insure Rupp would get to 2:09s, more or less the minimum for elite entry in the real marathon majors.

Bett did exactly what he was paid him to do.

Salazar did the same thing with the testosterone, thyroid, asthma meds, cortisone, carnitine, infusions, blood boosting, EPO, and others.

Q What are the rules and how do I sidestep them?

The only asterisk for Chicago is that it is no longer a major. It was more

like the Sub 2:10 project.

Bett was used as a bait to check on the strength of Rupp's likely rivals like Kimetto and Biwott who few if any knew their shape. By frequently surging to the front, Rupp took note of who reacts and how good their reactions were. If Bett had paced the race honestly, Rupp would have lost to Abel and Kipyego among others since they run well in paced races in European cities.

dsrunner wrote:

Salazar circumvented the no pacers rule to help insure Rupp would get to 2:09s, more or less the minimum for elite entry in the real marathon majors.

Bett did exactly what he was paid him to do.

Salazar did the same thing with the testosterone, thyroid, asthma meds, cortisone, carnitine, infusions, blood boosting, EPO, and others.

Q What are the rules and how do I sidestep them?

The only asterisk for Chicago is that it is no longer a major. It was more

like the Sub 2:10 project.

Shhhhhhhhh. The NOP bots are as bad as Trumptards with their virulent disregard for the truth and ethics.

Salazar is as loathsome as Mike Pence and smells even worse.

DId Rupp take thyroid and asthma medication right before, or during the race, or is that not how it works?

aduck2022 wrote:

sexybeast.................................

sal and rupp taking on the marathon world

next the record when they get there hands on next big parr delta ped

Are you referring to the Delta 2 or D2 PED doing the rounds?

Guess Rupp can add Chicago to his list of 2:10 races.

Considering Welshman, Steve Jones, won the Chicago marathon 33 years ago in a time of 2.08.05, I can’t understand all this hullabaloo about this Ruff person winning in what would be regarded a disappointing time in 2017.

pathfinder wrote:

Right. A big one!

(There. Are you happy now that someone agreed with your pathetic opinion?)

Yes!!!

What is wrong with some of these idiots- there was a great race (NOT a time trial) and an American (with two Olympic Medals) wins a major international race and still they complain.

If he lost- they'd be calling him out, if he wins the complain.

runn wrote:

pathfinder wrote:

Right. A big one!

(There. Are you happy now that someone agreed with your pathetic opinion?)

Yes!!!

What is wrong with some of these idiots- there was a great race (NOT a time trial) and an American (with two Olympic Medals) wins a major international race and still they complain.

If he lost- they'd be calling him out, if he wins the complain.

‘Major’ hah hah.... you mean New York, the race he’s ducking now and for the foreseeable future?

Thank-you

A huge huge asterisk!!!

dangling dan wrote:

runn wrote:

Yes!!!

What is wrong with some of these idiots- there was a great race (NOT a time trial) and an American (with two Olympic Medals) wins a major international race and still they complain.

If he lost- they'd be calling him out, if he wins the complain.

‘Major’ hah hah.... you mean New York, the race he’s ducking now and for the foreseeable future?

Who's entered in New York that is capable of beating Rupp?

Don't know how to adjust font size on this board, but this should get you started:

Rupp, Galen (USA) 02:09:20*

* - 1st place

Rupp pre-race wrote:

Guess Rupp can add Chicago to his list of 2:10 races.

Right - who would have thought that in 2016-2017 a 2:09 would get an Olympic bronze medal and a 2:10 would win a Marathon Major. Since 1995 his time would've only won Chicago 3 times and one of those was in 2007 with the crazy heat. Although it appears to have slowed the past few years so I don't know - Berlin and NYC may have watered it down and guessing Nike has a lot to do with who goes where...

Maybe a micro-dot is already too big:1) It's questionable whether Bett was even a rabbit -- that looks like a rumor propogated by "letsrun" to add "drama". In any case rabbits were not barred.2) Not sure if this is true, or how this is relevant. Nine other guys had similar or better PBs than Rupp.3) The USADA investigation is into two to four year old allegations which have yet to pan out into a concrete finding. The last statement from USADA indicated, as late as Feb. 2017: "... we continue to investigate whether anti-doping rules were broken..."Furthermore: "Importantly, all athletes, coaches and others under the jurisdiction of the World Anti-Doping Code are innocent and presumed to have complied with the rules unless and until the established anti-doping process declares otherwise. It is grossly unfair and reckless to state, infer or imply differently."So no asterisk should be based on questionable allegations.

not a rupp fan wrote:

1. Guy had his own rabbit in a race that has barred rabbits.

2. Field was watered down. Only two guys broke 2:10.

On a day where the weather was fine for running fast, only 4 or 5 guys could negative split off of a 65:50 first half? That's a joke.

It initially was full of guys who haven't run well in years and was so bad they got busted by letsrun and had to add in a few B-rate Kenyans to make it look legit. But big guns except Kirui and Rupp did nothing. Kimetto DNF and hasn't run well since 2015, Biwott has now DNFd his last 3 marathons. Who else?

3. USADA investigation.

To Rojo Paula Radcliffe is unsuspicious and clean but Galen Rupp is somehow tried and convicted and a dirty runner. This astounds me, frankly, and if there is an asterisk, it is the * with which I find good material on LR and have to ignore all the insanity.

I read LetsRun before the race and kept looking, as LetsRun had made a big point of it, to watch for Bett to rabbit the race. Kept waiting for it. Kept waiting. It never happened. Nobody seemed to want to push the pace any faster.

(it's funny that this picture of Bett leading the pack around the corner was perhaps the only 5 seconds that Bett was in the lead. It must've been difficult to find this picture as being evidence of the plot. Anybody who watched the whole race knows that Bett wasn't even visible most of the race.)

The bottom line is that Rupp could've decided, on his own, to act as the rabbit for the whole pack, ala Ryan Hall, and try to run a 2:05-2:06. Instead he chose to race competitively and win a WMM. You can fault him for that if you feel the need, but I think he made a perfectly reasonable decision.

Are people disgusted with Centro's tactics in Rio to get a gold by running a slow race? How many times did Geb or Bekele win a race by hanging with the pack until the last lap? Do you think they should've run all their races by trying to run the fastest time possible? Either the haters are totally naive about racing or they just want to rip on Rupp no matter what he does. Surely it's the later because they probably aren't that stupid.

Can we all just agree to disagree?

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/10/galen-rupp-perfect-marathon-champion-america-year-2017/

Personally I don't see what the huge controversy is. The main pack decided to go out at a very slow pace. He hung with the pack and then made his move at mile 22 and dropped them with his world class track speed. He was being strategic. His time is not suspicious only that so many would be so dumb as to play to his strengths. Who knows how fast he really is? He has yet to be tested. His selection of Chicago over London or Berlin is a hint but maybe they are just being overly cautious. Rupp head to head with Kipchoge on a favorable course? That would be something to see!