breh wrote:
Was yomif kejelcha? I'd imagine he was faster.
No. But even if he was, his career has worked out fine.
Ingebrigtsen: 3:39 in Stockholm!
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Hmm, not sure about that. He'll turn 17 in September. When I turned 17, I was 4 months into my senior year. German Fernandez too.
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Badabing wrote:
No, he would be a 10th grader.
Honestly, people with September birthdays can go either way, custom probably varies by state or even school district, so he could either be an older sophomore or younger junior this past year, but not on the extreme end for either one.
I have three close relatives with late September birthdays and they were all entering 12th grade at Ingebrigtsen's age...and my first girlfriend was 16 with an October birthday when entering senior year, but if they'd been a grade behind that wouldn't have been unusual either (as another gf of mine with an October birthday was).
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As someone who just went through high school, I can say that the ages for high school are different now than they were 20-30 years ago. People are older in each grade now. German was young for his grade, by today's standards.
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Badabing wrote:
As someone who just went through high school, I can say that the ages for high school are different now than they were 20-30 years ago. People are older in each grade now. German was young for his grade, by today's standards.
I'm not that old. And I don't think they've really changed much.
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Team Ing wrote:
I think his biggest advantage for his future is that he has two world class miler brothers to mentor him. Jakob doesn't need to make same tactical mistakes that Henrik and Filip have done.
What??
Henrik is a 1:48/3:31 guy who has run his way to multiple Euro Champs medals (including gold) and 5th at the Olympics.
His tactics consistently place him ABOVE any seeding list based on PR/SBs.
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xcvxvxcvx wrote:
Yes, they are unleashed on the world, sometimes at World Juniors, in their 20s, and many of them have short careers. You wonder why. Maybe because they had to be near their peak already just to get a shot, among the many, to compete internationally, particularly on the track.
This is a story from Kenya! Don't blame outsiders for the reporting of the disqualification of the Kenyan under-20 football team for age cheating just last year.
http://www.goal.com/en-ke/news/4542/features/2016/04/26/22784282/opinion-kenyas-latest-age-cheating-scam-must-be-the-finalThe article writes of a previous banning for age cheating and look at the words:
"About ten years ago, Kenya were banned for two years after fielding over-aged players in an U-17 category tournament.
As it emerged, some members of the team had lied about their ages and forged documents to support their claims. It is something which is slowly affecting our game and I do not need to refer to past events to demonstrate this, just take your time and attend the Kenyan Premier League U-20 tournament.
"There are many players who, on the first look, one can tell that they are more than 25 years, yet they claim to be nineteen or eighteen years!"
Kenyan words, not mine.
Again, where are the actual Kenyan teens? Do they exist or not? Don't give me that rubbish about the football team ... they are cr*p, even with the ineligible players and never featured outside the low-ranked East & Central African region. In track, Kenya doesn't need to cheat to be the best. As for short careers, Eliud is still here 15 years later; we've had Asbel showing no signs of slowing down after a decade and Vivian has been competing internationally for 18 years. Pity they couldn't emulate Alan Webb's longevity.
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Are you seriously denying that many, many Kenyans are older than their listed age?
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For the record I don't think they're "age cheats." Not their fault if they were given an ID with an inaccurate date. But it's well acknowledged that many are older than the age on their passport and I wouldn't be surprised if that includes Kiprop and Kipchoge who are still reportedly fairly young.
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what do you mean by tactics? wrote:
Team Ing wrote:
I think his biggest advantage for his future is that he has two world class miler brothers to mentor him. Jakob doesn't need to make same tactical mistakes that Henrik and Filip have done.
What??
Henrik is a 1:48/3:31 guy who has run his way to multiple Euro Champs medals (including gold) and 5th at the Olympics.
His tactics consistently place him ABOVE any seeding list based on PR/SBs.
What he said is completely over your head.
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HardLoper wrote:
Are you seriously denying that many, many Kenyans are older than their listed age?
Yes.
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HardLoper wrote:
For the record I don't think they're "age cheats." Not their fault if they were given an ID with an inaccurate date. But it's well acknowledged that many are older than the age on their passport and I wouldn't be surprised if that includes Kiprop and Kipchoge who are still reportedly fairly young.
So Kipchoge hits the form his (or anyone else's) life in his late thirties? Dude, think before you hit 'post'.
Acknowledged by whom? Look, if a Kenyan gets ID with wrong information, it is fraud. They were deliberately trying to mislead for personal gain. Virtually all Kenyans born after the late seventies & early eighties know the exact date (and in many cases, the time) they were born. Fortunately, your arbitrary suppositions about their ages are just that: suppositions.
There'll always be a few bad apples trying to get a leg up, it happens everywhere in the world. But for you to state that the majority of Kenyan runners have falsified ages is extremely dumb.
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Haha! You don`t know what you are writing about! He is "easy taken" and there are lot of to come......
I know!
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Yes....many kenyans with my experience are younger then what the official age says! Why? Because they are not allowed to compete in senior races with prize money if they don`t have the right age for it!
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COACH J.S å ä ö wrote:
Yes....many kenyans with my experience are younger then what the official age says! Why? Because they are not allowed to compete in senior races with prize money if they don`t have the right age for it!
This is what I've always suspected as well. These so-called 18-year-old Kenyans running 12:55 are actually 14-year-olds trying to sneak into adult races!
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artojas wrote:
His results are definetely coming from enormous training load trying to keep up / compete with his elder brothers. Which is not a good thing to do at this age. I know this, 'cause I have a younger brother, who tried to do the same thing. He did run my times at a younger age, than I did, but never bettered those times. Injuries started happening. At the end of the day the only difference was, that I ran my PR at 21, and he did at 18.
Jakob does not have a smooth looking stride and runs purely on strength and stamina. Mark my words, this not gonna last long and 3:31 is definetely not achievable for him. 3:31 is a time, when you really start being somebody internationally respectable, imho, which I suppose is his goal.
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3:29.6 / 3:26.7 wrote:
artojas wrote:
His results are definetely coming from enormous training load trying to keep up / compete with his elder brothers. Which is not a good thing to do at this age. I know this, 'cause I have a younger brother, who tried to do the same thing. He did run my times at a younger age, than I did, but never bettered those times. Injuries started happening. At the end of the day the only difference was, that I ran my PR at 21, and he did at 18.
Jakob does not have a smooth looking stride and runs purely on strength and stamina. Mark my words, this not gonna last long and 3:31 is definetely not achievable for him. 3:31 is a time, when you really start being somebody internationally respectable, imho, which I suppose is his goal.
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Yeah that comment didn’t age well at all
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Forgeez wrote:
3:29.6 / 3:26.7 wrote:
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Yeah that comment didn’t age well at all
yup. jakob hit his ceiling a long time ago. But he's so strong and powerful that he busted right through it to get 5 seconds faster even with a layer of lathe and plaster trying to hold him back!
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