If Genzebe ever does run 400 I suspect it would be a training run for 800. But who is to say that she isn't just doing this 800 as a trainer for her 1500?
I think she still has to add the outdoor mile record to her resume. That may be all this is about. Wants to work speed a little. Who knows. But it will be interesting to see how she looks against a field like that.
Jap wrote:
california dreamin' wrote:Per the all-time lists, no woman appears to have run both sub 50 and sub 4:00 in the 400/1500.
I imagine the reason 1:50 was referenced in the original post was that you would expect an individual capable of both 49.xx and 3:50.xx to be capable of running 1:50. In fact, we generally see a couple 49.x/3:50.x high schoolers each outdoor season. It's not an uncommon line.
Dibaba's the fastest woman ever over 1500m, but why do you think that translates to a sub 50 quarter? The physiological demands between the 1500 and 400 are about as similar as the physiological demands between the 1500 and half marathon; success in one no way guarantees (and to some extent probably hampers) capability in the other.
It's just a flawed reference. First of all you can't compare women to male HS runners, completely different biology.. Of course no woman has done sub 50/sub 4:00. One of the main reason is they are events that are never bound at the elite level.
You make a good point regarding the physio demands. But my point all along is that she has the hip flexors/lower legs of a quarter-miler. I may be wrong, and probably am, wouldn't be the first time. She could very well bottom out at 53. It's unlikely we'll ever find out because she will not do hard 400 training and training out of the blocks etc. But I think it could be done.
Didn't they use to say it was impossible for any man to go sub 10/20/44? Then along came Van Niekirk
No no no. 10/20/44 is doable. What is impossible is 10/22/44.
Or, 50/1:55/3:50. It doesn't make sense.
Someone who can run 50s per lap for 400m and hold 61s per lap for nearly 4 laps, can for sure hold 55s per lap for 800m. Why would they only be able to hold 57s?
What makes no sense is for that person with so much speed and endurance to suddenly suck at the event between.
If Van Niekerk went and popped a 3:40 1500m, you telling me he wouldn't run a world class (probably world record) 800m?
What do you think a 49.x 3:50 Dibaba could run for 800m?
Why oh why wrote:
Jap wrote:It's just a flawed reference. First of all you can't compare women to male HS runners, completely different biology.. Of course no woman has done sub 50/sub 4:00. One of the main reason is they are events that are never bound at the elite level.
You make a good point regarding the physio demands. But my point all along is that she has the hip flexors/lower legs of a quarter-miler. I may be wrong, and probably am, wouldn't be the first time. She could very well bottom out at 53. It's unlikely we'll ever find out because she will not do hard 400 training and training out of the blocks etc. But I think it could be done.
Didn't they use to say it was impossible for any man to go sub 10/20/44? Then along came Van Niekirk
No no no. 10/20/44 is doable. What is impossible is 10/22/44.
Or, 50/1:55/3:50. It doesn't make sense.
Someone who can run 50s per lap for 400m and hold 61s per lap for nearly 4 laps, can for sure hold 55s per lap for 800m. Why would they only be able to hold 57s?
What makes no sense is for that person with so much speed and endurance to suddenly suck at the event between.
If Van Niekerk went and popped a 3:40 1500m, you telling me he wouldn't run a world class (probably world record) 800m?
What do you think a 49.x 3:50 Dibaba could run for 800m?
I wouldn't be so sure. I think most agree that G. Dibaba's center event is 1500. She's gone up to 5K and done extremely well, her outdoor is top five all-time, if I'm not mistaken?
So going down to 800 would seem more natural.
Using the Van Niekirk comparison, if his center event is 400, like 1500 is to her, then 100 would be two events down, just like 400 is two events down for her. 800 would be one up to him, which he has never tried to my knowledge. With each event up the aerobic becomes more prevalent. He has already gone sub 10, but not nearly among the contenders in that event.
If she had a similar result in the 400 it might put her at 50/51. But again, sprint training is much much different than even mile training.
We'll have to see what she does next week. She will likely be pulled by Semenya, which will also be interesting because Semenya is a back of pack runner, which would seem to be what Genzebe would be forced to do being that she's coming down in event. I'm also curious if she will feel out of her element against these giant women(?). She's never run a race against big girls before, she does, however, train almost exclusively with men.
To add to that, 800 girls are typically a lot more physical than milers. Genzebe is a very light girl. I wonder if they will try to push her around.
A few years ago Genzebe used to have trouble with Abeba Aregawi, who was known for her dirty in-race tactics such as spiking, tripping, elbowing, cutting, pushing, anything she could get away with. I remember one race they had in Doha she got really physical with Genzebe and Genzebe ended up losing the race
No, she's not on any drugs, you're just a lying POS and pedophile
Why oh why wrote:
If Van Niekerk went and popped a 3:40 1500m, you telling me he wouldn't run a world class (probably world record) 800m?
What do you think a 49.x 3:50 Dibaba could run for 800m?
You guys can use this calculator and eliminate some of the guess work.
For Dibaba, 49.9 and 3:50,
400 0:49.9
800 1:51.23
1000 2:24.09
1500 3:50.0
1-mile 4:09.30
3000 8:27.94
2-mile 9:10.09
5000 15:06.18
10000 32:56.20
half-mara 75:47.22
marathon 163:26.81
For Van Niekerk 43.0 and 3:40,
400 0:43.0
800 1:41.84
1000 2:14.15
1500 3:40.0
1-mile 3:59.49
3000 8:24.94
2-mile 9:08.73
5000 15:22.33
10000 34:26.62
half-mara 81:12.08
marathon 178:29.32
http://timescalculator.appspot.comZorro wrote:
To add to that, 800 girls are typically a lot more physical than milers. Genzebe is a very light girl. I wonder if they will try to push her around.
A few years ago Genzebe used to have trouble with Abeba Aregawi, who was known for her dirty in-race tactics such as spiking, tripping, elbowing, cutting, pushing, anything she could get away with. I remember one race they had in Doha she got really physical with Genzebe and Genzebe ended up losing the race
Yeah, no doubt that creepy Caster dude would like to get physical with Genzebe.
Tangent Overload wrote:
I hope a doped-to-the-gills Dibaba destroys Semenya and Wambui. I swear, I'll make a wall-sized poster of the podium if that happens.
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Absolutely, if Dibaba could run a 50 flat then she should be able to run a 1:51 easily with that mile endurance. That said no way she can run a 50. We have seen Dibaba run a 1:57 before in Rio (last 800 of a very slow1500). I think she can run a 1:54.
When your coach is busted with vast numbers of syringes and drugs in the hotel where you are all staying and you had been running absolutely astonishing times never seen before, even by the Russian and Chinese dopers, and then on top of that, you cannot touch those times afterward, you're rightly going to be seen as a doper even if the corrupt and inept Spanish authorities do nothing after the raid.
If Dibaba were in her 3:50 shape, she could run 1:53-54. I would think that it would be to the advantage of any competitors with ten times the testosterone of most females to let it go out slowly and then power it home, because they don't want a world record to mess up their lucrative dominance of the event and Dibaba does not have their 400m speed.
Prediction: Dibaba will go out fast hoping to drain Semenya's kick and die in the last 100. Semenya glides past for the win. People talking about Dibaba splitting 1:57 at the end of a 1500 forget it is much easier to negative split 60--57 than positive split 57-60, especially for a 1500 type like Dibaba. Time prediction: Semenya 1:54, Dibaba 1:57 dying badly at the end.
matthewXCountry wrote:
Absolutely, if Dibaba could run a 50 flat then she should be able to run a 1:51 easily with that mile endurance. That said no way she can run a 50. We have seen Dibaba run a 1:57 before in Rio (last 800 of a very slow1500). I think she can run a 1:54.
No she wouldn't, that's stupid. I'll say this one more time. Dozens of girls have run sub-50, they do it every year. None of them has ever gone up and run anything close to a 1:51.
Your argument is reetarded
matthewXCountry wrote:
Absolutely, if Dibaba could run a 50 flat then she should be able to run a 1:51 easily with that mile endurance. That said no way she can run a 50. We have seen Dibaba run a 1:57 before in Rio (last 800 of a very slow1500). I think she can run a 1:54.
That guy thinks that tiny petite Dibaba is faster than giant muscle bound Semenya's over 400m lol. And he also thinks that would be a clean performance?!
49. Haha.
Jap wrote:
matthewXCountry wrote:Absolutely, if Dibaba could run a 50 flat then she should be able to run a 1:51 easily with that mile endurance. That said no way she can run a 50. We have seen Dibaba run a 1:57 before in Rio (last 800 of a very slow1500). I think she can run a 1:54.
No she wouldn't, that's stupid. I'll say this one more time. Dozens of girls have run sub-50, they do it every year. None of them has ever gone up and run anything close to a 1:51.
Your argument is reetarded
1. Not many girls run sub 50 each year. It is extremely fast for a woman.
2. None of them have even broken 4:30 for 1500m. Maybe even 4:40.
A DISTANCE girl (4:00 or faster) who can run sub 50 400m will run a world record 800m at the minimum.
Really what do you think a girl who can run 50 and 3:50 could run for 800m? Please. Just answer.
Your argument is beyond 'reetarded'.
zxczvxcvxzc wrote:
When your coach is busted with vast numbers of syringes and drugs in the hotel where you are all staying and you had been running absolutely astonishing times never seen before, even by the Russian and Chinese dopers, and then on top of that, you cannot touch those times afterward, you're rightly going to be seen as a doper even if the corrupt and inept Spanish authorities do nothing after the raid.
If Dibaba were in her 3:50 shape, she could run 1:53-54. I would think that it would be to the advantage of any competitors with ten times the testosterone of most females to let it go out slowly and then power it home, because they don't want a world record to mess up their lucrative dominance of the event and Dibaba does not have their 400m speed.
The problem is he wasn't caught with any drugs whatsoever. That just a bunch of lies spread by the slanderers. That's kind of why he wasn't even charged. If they found anything he would have been charged and prosecuted.
If anything it proves her ever more clean that their investigation which took whatever years they were saying, found nothing, therefore there was nothing to find. Plus she was isotope tested and that's the end of it.
Jap wrote:
Tiny petite Allyson Felix is way faster than Semenya at 400, reetard
Now I know you are an actual moron.
http://www.ethiosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Genzebe-Dibaba-Stockholm.jpghttps://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/80/9a/30/809a30f31fdfbc6940c73f9144505033.jpgOh dear lord.
Three men + the most blatant doper in women's track. I feel bad for legit hardworking clean athletes like B-Mart and Joanna Jóźwik.
We're gonna see some medals get rearranged these next few years as samples get retested. What a disaster.
Les wrote:
Prediction: Dibaba will go out fast hoping to drain Semenya's kick and die in the last 100. Semenya glides past for the win. People talking about Dibaba splitting 1:57 at the end of a 1500 forget it is much easier to negative split 60--57 than positive split 57-60, especially for a 1500 type like Dibaba. Time prediction: Semenya 1:54, Dibaba 1:57 dying badly at the end.
Dibaba will not go out fast. And neither will run that fast in a first race of the season. I mean I doubt it, but the Obiri Doha 3K in '14 was a monster.
I think Dibaba will finish back in the pack, I don't think she will ever challenge the leaders, just testing herself for a debut run. And try to finish with a kick. My guess is something around 1:59 depending on conditions. Semenya will prob be around 1:57 highs. Niyonsaba might even beat her.
Dibaba probably would have been better off choosing an 800 with Kipyegon, Hassan and some of her familiar rivals rather than these beast women.
No, you're just a reetard. Felix is closer to Dibaba than she is to Semenya. For that matter so are Elaine Thompson, Bowie and Ta Lou, all the top short sprinters.
In fact, Marie Josee Ta Lou is smaller, shorter, skinnier and lighter than Dibaba and would smoke Semenya in the 200m . English Gardner is also very petite. She may be a choker against the best, but she would smoke Semenya too
