Is Harroufi, Abdeimounaim - dubai 9th placer - really American

Nopers123 wrote:

He has been slow for quite some time but recently especially ending 2013 he dropped from recent 67ish half marathon down to 62 I believe. He also just ran a 2:13. You think this lad is still clean?? HELL NO

In support of Aissa, he returned to training over 3 years ago and won his first return race at the 2011 Portland Shamrock 15k Run in 46:41. He won by almost 2 minutes.

In 2012 he ran some good races including a PR for 10 miles and a surprising 9th place finish at the Bix 7. He also dealt with injury problems of trying to do too much, too soon.

In 2013, for the half-marathon, he ran 63:40, 62:35, 67:36, and 63:20. His all-time best is 61:27. The "67ish" half marathon that you referred to was a bad race day for Aissa at the Portland Rock & Roll half marathon. He ran "neck-and-neck" for the last mile and placed 2nd by a second.

In Dec 2013 he ran his first marathon ever in Sacramento: 2:18:13. After running with the leaders through about 23 miles he fell apart in the last 3 miles in sub freezing weather.

About 7 weeks later he ran his 2:13:35 in Dubai. Based on his half marathon times he should be able to go under 2:10 some day.

I think Aissa deserves some support. He seems to be a target which I don't think he deserves.

Hardloper wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

This was probably a case like Jason Hartmann, who dropped out of the NYC marathon and got on one of the carts. His chip kept registering at all the checkpoints and he ended up showing some sub-5:00 pace splits all the way to the finish even though he was running much slower that before he dropped out. His result was eventually deleted.

fred wrote:

That doesn't explain why Dghoughi's name was removed from

the official results.

Yes it does - the exact same thing happened to Hartman. He was in the results with a couple unbelievable splits, and then later deleted.

Harroufi had the unbelievable splits, not Dghoughi.

Dghoughi's name was removed from the official results for

some other reason.

"I think Aissa deserves some support. He seems to be a target which I don't think he deserves.

Aissa was caught at the French border with vials of EPO.

True or false?

Why would letsrun posters give him support?

fred wrote:

Harroufi had the unbelievable splits, not Dghoughi.

Dghoughi's name was removed from the official results for some other reason.

I was responding to the other post suggesting that Dghoughi is cheating based on his recent improvement from his "67ish" half marathon. I thought some facts would balance the rumors and inuendo.

Regarding Dghoughi's name removed from the results that you are looking at, I don't think that is an issue. He was credited with 16th place in 2:13:35. You should look at his blog:

Nopers123 wrote:

ironically was great friends with none other than Eddy "EPO" Hellebuyck

Ironically, he wasn't the only friend of Eddy in Albuquerque.

Ask Paula Radcliffe. And many other top elites.

Aissa supporter wrote:

fred wrote:

Harroufi had the unbelievable splits, not Dghoughi.

Dghoughi's name was removed from the official results for some other reason.

I was responding to the other post suggesting that Dghoughi is cheating based on his recent improvement from his "67ish" half marathon. I thought some facts would balance the rumors and inuendo.

Regarding Dghoughi's name removed from the results that you are looking at, I don't think that is an issue. He was credited with 16th place in 2:13:35. You should look at his blog:

http://aissad.blogspot.com/

You did not respond to the question about being pulled over

for EPO at the French border. Would that be on the blog?

SMJO wrote:

have ran

*sigh*

Aissa is part of the Hebron KY group that has several drug cheats in it and is led by a women who was the top Russian MD runner in the height of the EPO era.

fred wrote:

You did not respond to the question about being pulled over for EPO at the French border. Would that be on the blog?

fred, I'm in no position to answer that question. I took your question rhetorically.

Aissa's blog addresses what happened almost 10 years ago. On the blog it quotes a sportswriter, "Aissa is a fantastic story. Fascinating on a bunch of levels: Aissa's merits, his innocence, and the larger ethical idea of when it is right to accept, forgive and help a struggling talent."

Drug Cheetah wrote:

Aissa is part of the Hebron KY group that has several drug cheats in it and is led by a women who was the top Russian MD runner in the height of the EPO era.

Names/links?

Holy cr*p, this actually exists:

http://lmeliterunningclub.com/profiles.php

(Only one runner is listed as American, by the way.)

Thanks, if I'd known it was called the L.M. Elite Running Club I would have found it.

Pictured in a BAC singlet

http://lmeliterunningclub.com/profiles.php?id=13

Aissa supporter wrote:

fred wrote:

You did not respond to the question about being pulled over for EPO at the French border. Would that be on the blog?

fred, I'm in no position to answer that question. I took your question rhetorically.

Aissa's blog addresses what happened almost 10 years ago. On the blog it quotes a sportswriter, "Aissa is a fantastic story. Fascinating on a bunch of levels: Aissa's merits, his innocence, and the larger ethical idea of when it is right to accept, forgive and help a struggling talent."

He didn't get 3 years because he mistakenly didn't apply for

a TUE. It was because he avoided a drug test.

"The International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) has been informed by Fédération Royal Marocaine d’Athlétisme (FRMA) that the male athlete, Aïssa DGHOUGHI, has been found guilty of the following doping violation under IAAF Rules:

Refusal to submit to doping control (IAAF Rule 32.2c)

This doping violation relates to an IAAF out-of-competition doping control mission on 28-29.07.06 in St Moritz, Switzerland."

You keep redirecting away from the facts.

Bingo.

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=52998&p=877714

fred wrote:

Bingo.

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=52998&p=877714

What's with the "Bingo", who is Jon, second post from bottom, to make him such an authority to say "They cut the course"?

More than a rumor:http://rrm.com/Newsarchives/archive14/14harroufidoping.htmDon't know why this didn't get more play. The guy won some major road races.

Nopers123 wrote:

Oh it was rumored that Harroufi was a doper back in his heyday and I for one believe it. He was a chronic racer who dominated and ironically was great friends with none other than Eddy "EPO" Hellebuyck

Damn! How did I not hear about this? Harroufi busted for EPO! I saw that guy beat deriba merga at bay to breakers. Are there any Moroccans who HAVEN'T been juiced?

Shoosh wrote:

More than a rumor:

http://rrm.com/Newsarchives/archive14/14harroufidoping.htm

Don't know why this didn't get more play. The guy won some major road races.

Nopers123 wrote:

Oh it was rumored that Harroufi was a doper back in his heyday and I for one believe it. He was a chronic racer who dominated and ironically was great friends with none other than Eddy "EPO" Hellebuyck

EPO it is:

http://www.iaaf.org/about-iaaf/documents/anti-doping#sanctioned-athletes