DougC wrote:
I would volunteer to be tested (blood and urine) all the time! I would want the most proof possible that I was clean.
Having your urine or hair tested is one thing. Having a blood test is another.
Anyone who has their blood tested voluntarily or otherwise is a fool.
molfin wrote:
You have to remember why she began saying she freezed the sample...
First of all you can't freeze and save blood samples anyway.
If her sampple is also in the normal range ... that may some or less.at least apparent or not,shows .
Huh?
Gee if PR is in the range for normal... like OY was... then PR must be a drug CHEAT!! ... CHEATS OUT PAULA!!!
And weren't there the story that she revealed her test results or something?What was that?just positive or negative and substance tested?or the data of the sample?I couldn't get detail.
She reveals her results through the UK and BBC. I wonder if she's even been tested. Or do they just reveal the results.
O.K? I'm not saying this to you.I am going to show in the case some people who don't know you believe what happened in your world.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/in_depth/2001/world_athletics/our_man_at_edmonton/1481240.stm
blood sample,does she have to freeze blood sample?why?
Dunes runner,
PR is not on drugs. The UK testers are amongst the most meticulous throughout the world. Trust me I know - I lived with a 3:40 runner last year who was tested 14 times in a year and he is not within 1/1000 of the public eye that PR is in. He had to provide UK athletics with itineries of where he would be for testing for every single day of every week. Naturally this posed problems and on several occasions the tester had to sit and wait for him when he strayed from this schedule (such as when he went to see his girlfriend or was at the library doing unforseen work etc). Therefore your ridiculous comment suggesting she has never been tested is BS.
You ask why she reports her results through the BBC. Hmmm lets see...maybe because she is BRITISH and BBC stands for British Broadcasting Corporation. Also perhaps because the BBC is a WORLDWIDE broadcast that is highly respected by any reasonable person (although obviously not by naive people like yourself).
Why should she apologise to Yegorova? She is only innocent on a technicality. Every self respecting person knows she was on EPO. Why single her out? Because it was her who was denying her medals after all the hardwork she had put in - of course she would do this!!
On a side note, why can't you freeze blood? You can bring a mouse back to life after it has been frozen. Correct me if I'm wrong but don't mice have blood?
I hope this helps clear up some of your worrying concerns Dune Runner.
Paula fan wrote:
Dunes runner,
PR is not on drugs.
I wonder if you see how ridiculous of a statement that is. You only convince me that she IS on drugs by saying such a thing. Why do you keep hiding it? But that is obvious isn't it.
The UK testers are amongst the most meticulous throughout the world.
Oh I know how meticulous the UK and the BBC are. That is quite obvious from all the misguided and misleading news reports they put out.
Therefore your ridiculous comment suggesting she has never been tested is BS.
Being tested and getting accurate results are two different things.
You ask why she reports her results through the BBC.
I KNOW why she reports her results through the BBC.
Hmmm lets see...maybe because she is BRITISH and BBC stands for British Broadcasting Corporation.
Duh.... you have figured it out.
Also perhaps because the BBC is a WORLDWIDE broadcast that is highly respected by any reasonable person (although obviously not by naive people like yourself).
The only naive people are the ones like you who blindly believe anything that is shoved down their throats by the press.
Why should she apologise to Yegorova?
Because Radcliffe slandered Yegorova in public, in the press, tried to run her out of the sport, took away from her victories, got her banned from competitions, and greatly reduced her earnings.
She is only innocent on a technicality. Every self respecting person knows she was on EPO.
Are we talking about Paula here? Presuming you mean Olga Yegorova, she has passed ALL tests and is innocent because she has passed ALL tests. The only people who think otherwise are racist bigots, those with not enough intelligence to think for themselves, or both.
Why single her out? Because it was her who was denying her medals after all the hardwork she had put in - of course she would do this!!
Her, her, she, Paula? Olga Yegorova won her races, Paula lost hers, so Radcliffe went to the press to lie, distort, destroy and deny her competition the medals they had earned and would have earned in the future.
If you're winning races and people keep throwing bricks at you, you're not going to keep dedicating yourself to the sport, no matter how good you are. Paula knows that and that's the strategy she has used.
On a side note, why can't you freeze blood? You can bring a mouse back to life after it has been frozen. Correct me if I'm wrong but don't mice have blood?
I suppose, but how does freezing a mouse prove Radcliffe is innocent?
I hope this helps clear up some of your worrying concerns Dune Runner.
I hope it does too.
Paula fan wrote:
Why should she apologise to Yegorova? She is only innocent on a technicality. Every self respecting person knows she was on EPO. . .
Nah. It wasn't a technicality. The French screwed up the test. It was very flawed. Only 1 of the 2 urine samples that were to be tested were actually tested, and the required blood test was not performed at all. That's why she was reinstated. There were good scientific reasons for doing so. But people continue to write that she was let off on a technicality. And other people continue to believe them.
On a side note, why can't you freeze blood? You can bring a mouse back to life after it has been frozen. Correct me if I'm wrong but don't mice have blood?
Freezing of whole blood renders it useless for most hematological testing.
Amercians - worlds biggest mouths, worlds biggest egos, worlds biggest assholes, worlds most hated nation, worlds biggest hypocrits...
hmmn - that about sums it up perfectly.
lets see here... OY fails drug test, passes on a technicality, and she is OBVIOUSLY innocent and doesn't use drugs. PR offers all she can to prove she is innocent, makes herself a target, and passes ALL drug tests and she is OBVIOUSLY using drugs. your logic, at its most basic level, makes absolutely no sense. your posts are the most ridiculous on this board. find more to do...
Do I need to remind you we kicked your ass in a revolution and then proceeded to save your ass not once, but twice in the 20th century? Ok, so keep you mouth shut, keep it about running or get off the site.
>>There were good scientific reasons for doing so.
It's opposite the panel of the scientis launching an all out attack on IAAF for that.I don't know what IAAF is thinking.IAAF told too many hype and lies and decieve people for this matter.I can't believe it any more .
Christian the unAmerican wrote:Amercians - worlds biggest mouths, worlds biggest egos, worlds biggest assholes, worlds most hated nation, worlds biggest hypocrits...
hmmn - that about sums it up perfectly.
Well that's all well and good, but I'm not sure what it has to do with me. I'm not an Amercian. But I'm sure any Amercians out there who read your bilious retort had their little Amercian feelings quite hurt.
And you've bombed 32 countries without reply since, you are the worlds biggest aggressors so don't start getting all 'right on'.
waz wrote:
And you've bombed 32 countries without reply since, you are the worlds biggest aggressors so don't start getting all 'right on'.
And we've ended communism, our farmers feed 2/3 of the world's population, our free market enterprise developed the software that operates the vast majority of the world's computers, hell we also make the vast majority of the world's computer chips (so that you can get your whiny self on this message board), we forced Europe to face up to ANOTHER holocaust in her own backyard (Yugoslavia), we single-handedly protected western Europe from an aggressive Soviet Union, we (with help) liberated Kuwait from a dictator and ensured the free flow of oil to the western world, we fed thousands of starving people in Somalia (and sacrificed US lives to do so), and we give more in foreign aid than any other country in the world. I'd give you more, but I've got to get back to work...
DougC
If the world we live in today is as a result of American success and achievements, I would rather have had communism. You produce more chemical, nuclear and household wate than the rest of the world combined. You stood and watched (and even supplied Saddam with weapons) whilst he massacred his own people (yes under Reagan you and Iraq and Saddam were big buddies), and now because it suits you 14 years on you want to rectify the situation, you achieved absoloutely nothing in Afghansiatan, as a result the Al Queda terror network is still flourishing and killing, you have a president who can't string two sentences together and is the embarassment of the western world. The Taliban who were sucha perilous threat was actually funded in part by the US during the Mujahadeens conflict with the USSR in the early 80's. In fact the US soldiers out in Kabul are probably being fired upon by US weapons!
Hundreds of Thousands of people in third world countries starve because you flooded their economies with cheap imports causing the collapse of their own crops and exports.
You HAVE to have conflict, you HAVE to claim that somebody is an aggressor to justify the huge outlay on weapons which your government rubbers stamps. The Russinas or old USSR is no longer a threat (if it ever was) so you have to create one.
Annd as for Kuwait, there was only one issue at stake there and that was oil, how may african countries are currently governed by tyrannical dictators? Many, and how may are of interest to the US, zero, why? Beacsue there is no oil at stake.
Why has theer been no peace in the middle east for 50 years? America, which supports Israel, a country with the biggest number of human rights abuses on the planet.
So don't preach about the good old US of A
"old USSR is no longer a threat (if it ever was) so you have to create one."
You clearly don't remember Kruschev and the old USSR's stated goal of world domination. In addition, long before the USA, the world was full of aggressors - that's the way it has always been. Agressors need to be deterred and while the USA is not perfect I'll stand by our record anytime. I guess the European way is to watch as the likes of Hitler, and the ethnic cleansers in Yugoslavia do what they do... Europe has shown it is not willing to stand up to evil, even in its own backyard. And I wouldn't "preach" about the good old US of A if you would keep the discussion on the topic of running.
paranoia
Regarding Israel... Since we had to end WWII (note that we did not start it), we came face to face with the fact that SIX MILLION Jews were massacred. So... yes, the USA does support Israel's right to exist and defend herself. Your attitude is exactly why Israel needs our support - it's obvious that europhiles would just let Israel fall to an attack by Arab countries. We will not let another HOLOCAUST occur.
If by HOLOCAUST you mean the killing of innocent people every day because of their race then take a look at the Palestinians who have become 'a stateless people', by being over zealous in the support of one people you create hatred on the side of the opposition. Anyway this isn't related to running in any way so lets all can it, you are obviously believeing exactly what your govt. wants you to believe, your country is a mess.
example.
Over 200 million privately owned fire arms in your country and you can't understand why you keep having gun related crimes. ie. sniper, school massacres etc...
USA has many faults and Americans should come to grips with that fact and not just fly the flag and blindly salute it. But?.we are still?probably?the best country around. But let?s not get cocky about it, let?s be even better and fix some of our problems. Much of the rest of the world?s criticism is justified, but even more of it based on jealousy. This should not be a competition, the world should work together. Right now GW Bush has been making a mockery of that concept by ignoring concerns of the rest of the world. Hopefully that will change. But countries like France need to their heads out of the sand (their asses?) and look around at troubles around the world and see if they can assist in solving some of these problems (no, not necessarily through aggression, but if it is necessary as a last result?).
(by the way, I support gun control and think Israel should give up the land they won in battle. Sharon is an ass who is as responsible for the current conflict there as anyone (including Arafat). But?I do not know how ANYONE could defend Arab/Islamic peoples as a whole at this time(not talking about individuals). Right now, so many of them support terror and hideous suicide murderers. They are the world?s disgrace right now.)
Having said all that, WAZ, what is your country and how is better than the ?Evil/hated? US? Come on....let's hear it.
...Returning to marathon running, people should perhaps remember that when Jim Peters ran a world record 2.20.42 in 1952 the previous best was 2:25:39. The following year he became the first person under 2:20, clocking 2:18:40 and then in 1954 ran 2.17.39. He was light years ahead of everyone else. He was doing things people had previously thought impossible (like 100miles per week for example).
Some of Peters ideas were odd by today's standards. he never drank during a marathon, and he didn't believe in easing up before races - he ran a 6.5 mile sprint at a five-minute pace on the eve of his 2:18 record! He wrote that "the body has got to be conditioned to stand up to stresses and strains which it is going to meet in an actual race, and therefore it is useless training at a six-minute mile pace, if you hope to race a 5-1/2 minute per mile pace." Obviously it goes without saying that he worked full tim and ran in plimsolls.
AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT - JIM PETERS NEVER TOOK DRUGS