Elite swimmers run as cross training, I am sure they could all finish a marathon. Oprah finished a marathon!! Cyclists will always dominate any triathlon, their leg is the longest time wise.
Elite swimmers run as cross training, I am sure they could all finish a marathon. Oprah finished a marathon!! Cyclists will always dominate any triathlon, their leg is the longest time wise.
John Howard was an Olympic cyclist who won the '81 Ironman Championship Hawaii.
Udo Bolts, pro cyclist at Telekom, did Hawaii with only 4 weeks training (due to a late season race), finished a little over 10 hours.
Laurent Jalabert has been doing marathons and Ironmans in retirement. He just did Kona this year and finished 76th. Most interesting is after exiting the swim, he passed 1000 people on the bike and yet he was still only 26th fastest cyclist. He then improved his position on the run.
Rolf Aldag of Telekom did IM Lanzarotte, well established as one of if not the most difficult IM in the world and went just a bit over 10 hours.
Thing about Jalabert is that he knows that he can't win an IM, he also is thinking like a triathlete, he could probably bike a 4:20..but can he run a good marathon after words? but if he bikes a 4:45, he can runn well off that. that is a big thing in triathlon, if you are not a skilled triathlete, you may need to bike super slow to capitalize on your running.
Fourth try, I swam hard after almost a year of solid training went :59 which was great, biked a 4:55 which is again..awesome, but again, the run came around and I was walking 20 miles for another 4:45 marathon.
Did you do this in Lake Placid?
IM Canada
no. in itu races you NEVER see "runners-turned triathletes" do well. what you do see is swimmers who either have learned to run or who ran in high school do well. the bike largely is irrelevant due to drafting. however, a pure runner never can hang with guys who swam in college. he therefore will come out of the water many minutes down, miss the draft train on the bike and be done.
you also have no clue about cyclists. have you ever seen a pic of lance or any of the other tour guys with a shirt off? they look like they are from concentration camps. muscle mass up top is simply weight that slows you down on the bike.
does anyone know who won the half ironman world championships last month? andy potts, a former world class swimmer.
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no. in itu races you NEVER see "runners-turned triathletes" do well. . the bike largely is irrelevant due to drafting. quote]
I disagree, that is how it has been up until now but if u have a strong enough cyclist who was a TT man ala Lance Armstrong he can cause trouble for the others in a draft legal race. The "pack" is not going to work together well enough because they are concerned with giving a good runner a free ride. Sure they will all pull through but they will not hammer hard enough because they cannot take a chance on being that vulnerable to an attack from someone else in the pack. In a non drafting race, its everyone in the same situation, so everyone has to work equally hard. If you are a strong cyclist you don't worry about pulling a strong runner, you know the strong runner is going to have to push through the wind just like you, with no help.
Jalabert was a sprinter who became a climber/GC man but he was never known to be be a strong TT man other than a short one, He did a good bike at Hawaii, but someone like Lance or Jason McCartney who is good in long breaks and Time Trials would be able to do a much faster bike split
that simply is not true. you MUST be an extremely strong swimmer in an itu race otherwise you miss the bike pack and you never are going to be able to catch the pack AND run with 29-minute 10k guys who are fresh for the run after spinning for 40k on the bike. the only time someone might try and break away is when the course is extremely hilly or technical whereby drafting is less of a factor. even in that case, the extra amount of energy one has to use to ride solo almost always is going to come back and bite him on the run. watch some itu races and tell me which ones don't have a big back come into t2.
edge wrote:
no. in itu races you NEVER see "runners-turned triathletes" do well. what you do see is swimmers who either have learned to run or who ran in high school do well. the bike largely is irrelevant due to drafting. however, a pure runner never can hang with guys who swam in college. he therefore will come out of the water many minutes down, miss the draft train on the bike and be done.
Yes, you really do. In fact the US national champion in recent years (don't know if it was long or short course) was a very good runner turned triathlete. A pure runner might not be able to hang with guys who swam in college but then again, a pure swimmer can never hang with guys who ran in college either.
you also have no clue about cyclists. have you ever seen a pic of lance or any of the other tour guys with a shirt off? they look like they are from concentration camps. muscle mass up top is simply weight that slows you down on the bike.
You understand those guys are only like that for racing season, right? Have you ever seen a picture of Lance when he's not tour fit? He looks like a swimmer. Yet he can still out-cycle any other triathlete in the world. Muscle mass up top hurts you on the climbs, but not on the flat. Certainly not when drafting is legal. And there's not enough climbing in any triathlon to compare to what those guys face in a pure cycling race anyway.
LOL at biking 50mph or even 35mph. LOL. the iron man winners bike at like 24mph - - 26mph
better not to know wrote:
[quote]edge wrote:
Jalabert was a sprinter who became a climber/GC man but he was never known to be be a strong TT man other than a short one,
World Professional Individual Time Trial Champion in 1997???
I'd think that might just mean he could do a long TT!
edge wrote:
no. in itu races you NEVER see "runners-turned triathletes" do well. what you do see is swimmers who either have learned to run or who ran in high school do well. the bike largely is irrelevant due to drafting. however, a pure runner never can hang with guys who swam in college. he therefore will come out of the water many minutes down, miss the draft train on the bike and be done.
?? simon whitfield...hunter kemper...these guys were legit runners (kemper was like a 28:30 guy at wake forest)....though kemper was in iron kids as well..
A lot of uninformed people are posting on here. The bottom line is that IT ALL DEPENDS. You will never see a Haile Gebreselaisse Swimming 16-17min 1500 meters. Likewise, you will never see 190Lb Grant Hackett running a 30min 10k triathlon split. You see, contrary to what many people think, triathletes have a somewhat specific body type. For elite short-course They almost all weigh 150-175 Lbs, and are 5ft10-6ft4. Tall enough to swim, skinny enough to run, and strong enough to bike. The extreme body types it takes to succeed in individual sports just won't work well in a sport that requires such balance.
Exactly, Lots of guys can run 2:40, how many of them can run 3:30 after a brutal 112 mile bike ride...oh yeah and a 2.4 mile open water swim.
last question. i know a person who tells people he has "done an ironman triathlon". is there any database where you can enter that person's name and get a result/hit if you don't know which race he ran in or what year?
Tangent: So i ran a 3:13 at Ironman Hawaii this year. I come from a competitive running background and am now going to run my first open marathon in Feb. IM Hawaii was my first marathon. Question: What can I hope to run for an open?
PS: Runners do make the best triathletes. I am a shitty swimmer and decent biker and do very well in tri's.
well, if you ran at your fullest potential at the IM, then I would say 20-25 minutes. and you are wrong about runners being the best at Tris. I was a cyclist and I put loud mouths like yourself away at every race i go to.
Curious - how was IM Hawaii your first marathon? Did you qualify at a half?
People who mis-use "yourself" or "myself" are idiot moron f***tards.