What a run! 6:01 at 2k, 11:55 at 4k. closed in 2:49 going around lapped runners! fun fact, she dropped Patricia Kosgei who beat Jane when Jane ran 14:57 for the HS record in the spring!
And, obnoxiously, she claimed to not know who Jane was and that she thought Jane was a pacer. I am pretty sure she knows Jane isn't a pacer now
Agree, ran like Harold Norpoth sitting behind a teenage Prefontaine to kick away to the win last Spring.
I thought it was cool to see Jane smoke Kosgei, but exactly why should Kosgei have known who she is as a high schooler last year? Seemed pretty unsurprising (and not obnoxious) that a Kenyan collegian would be unsure who she was and wonder if the mystery athlete was a pacer.
On this board, people with nothing useful to say blab about doping regarding someone who just finished high school. Usually, people who have never achieved anything athletically.
I thought it was cool to see Jane smoke Kosgei, but exactly why should Kosgei have known who she is as a high schooler last year? Seemed pretty unsurprising (and not obnoxious) that a Kenyan collegian would be unsure who she was and wonder if the mystery athlete was a pacer.
Nah at the time Jane was extremely hyped for that race and many were following the race specifically to see how she would do. Far more people than were following Kosgei. It is insanely ignorant to not realize who is in a race like that with you. I honestly thought she was blowing smoke for a bit. It was pretty obnoxious that she figured her as a pacer.
Come now. Without Valby there is no Hedengren. Valby showed what you could get away with and destroyed the no doping in college taboo, and Jane and her connections ran with it. Unless we are still going with a genetic anomaly that strangely manifested itself when she turned 18. Brave new world. And not worth following.
You are the worst poster here. Your attitude just sucks.
People are learning how to effectively load manage and cross train. It's happening even in high school at all levels. In our state the state record was annihilated, everyone in our city got massively better, my child ran a top 20 all time state XC time and was barely top 10. I know all of the kids and parents personally and nobody is doping here. It's more intelligent training and it is happening everywhere, at all levels. It's not surprising to me that it is happening in the NCAA and pro levels as well.
Dude single handedly ruined any chance I ever would have had of being a Tuohy fan 😂. Sometimes I purposely say stuff to trigger astro
Just my opinion here but I think what is happening on the women's side is just a delayed version of what happened on the men's side regarding western runners vs africans. If you ran back in my day (the 90s) word on the street was anything over 70mpw would get you injured (we did about 50mpw at my school which was a perennial top 20 D1 NCAA XC team) and africans had an unstoppable genetic advantage.
At some point, approximately coinciding with Rupp's rise, that loser mentality finally got thrown out and people started training correctly. Seeing Rupp and others credibly contend for medals broke the idea that western runners can't compete with africans and at the same time, the training methods that worked for the africans (and were disregarded by the west because we thought we were smarter) started being adopted by westerners, and now a decade later, western runners are dominating everything except the marathon.
Just to give you an idea of how far behind we were in training methodology, my teammate (NCAA XC champion Kenyan guy) ran about 70mpw (he was self coached, didn't do our weaksauce 50mpw high intensity interval workouts) and had two staple workouts he did every week: 8-10 repeat 1000s with 1:00 rest, and 16 x 400 with 0:30 rest. Basically the same format as the now-popular Norwegian Singles thread.
On the womens side, there is still a massive gap between the top africans (high 13s) and the top Americans (mid 14s), and I attribute this to a delay in when western female runners decided to throw out the old rulebook and start logging higher mileage or adding cross training like the men did. Western runners are rapidly closing the gap and within a few years will start mixing it up with the africans (Batocletti already doing so). If Josette Andrews is running 14:20s, it will not surprise me at all to see Jane progress to medal threat status down the road.
Lastly, I feel that Jane is just way ahead of her time. Put it into perspective: a sub 10:00 3200m is still a very rare time for high school girls and Jane ran 9:14. Nobody is that much of an outlier. Expect to be seeing a lot more girls run low 9:30s within a few years.
Imagine thinking college sports are a safe haven from doping 🤡
Im pretty sure the top college sprinters and field athletes(and maybe some middle distance runners) have always doped,especially if they hope to go pro,or if it means getting further up the heap. Not sure about college distance runners. I still hope jane is clean.
Nah at the time Jane was extremely hyped for that race and many were following the race specifically to see how she would do. Far more people than were following Kosgei. It is insanely ignorant to not realize who is in a race like that with you. I honestly thought she was blowing smoke for a bit. It was pretty obnoxious that she figured her as a pacer.
“Insanely ignorant” is crazy. Following the HS running scene is not obviously something a foreign athlete would be doing. The idea that she’d be trying to neg Jane (for no reason) is bizarre. Much easier to believe that Kenyan athlete who spends their day training, studying and keeping up with her family back home just didnt know the HS phenom beside her.
14:44 5000M indoor. Blows away NCAA outdoor/indoor records by . . . a lot. 8 seconds. Instantly the GOAT of NCAA women’s distance runners. [correction: “Parker Valby”]
The young lady who beat her convincing at nationals two weeks ago is still probably the GOAT of NCAA distance running given her titles and performances to date, but Jane certainly could pass her. Can’t wait for indoor nationals. I hope Jane she keeps progressing.
I said after her first Cross Country win that she was already the GOAT. She is a generational runner, the likes of which we have not seen since Mary Decker. Early in his career they were already calling Larry Bird Larry Legend and MJ the best ever even before his first title. Jane is already the GOAT of American Women's Distance Running! Watching her run is like watching history being made in real time!
I said after her first Cross Country win that she was already the GOAT. She is a generational runner, the likes of which we have not seen since Mary Decker. Early in his career they were already calling Larry Bird Larry Legend and MJ the best ever even before his first title. Jane is already the GOAT of American Women's Distance Running! Watching her run is like watching history being made in real time!
Sheer nonsense. Someone who has never been to the Olympics isn't the GOAT of American Women's Distance Running. Study the sport's history before talking about who's the greatest of all time.
