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In the UK it is on Viaplay. No idea for US.
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Great meet. Letsrun gets us excited but leaves us hanging.
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Yeah657 wrote:
John Wesley Harding wrote:
Lot of posters are going to eat their words if Nuguse stays healthy over the next 6 months. It’s not Americans overhyping their own - he ran 3:47.38 with a 25.8 last 200 and crushed Hoare, Garcia Romo and Gourley. There’s nothing illusory about that.
Every year its the same, but some people never eat their words, just rinse and repeat. Two years ago it was Hocker. Let them race before you guys crown a new champion.
I’m not crowning a new champion - that will wait until the fourth week of August. I’m saying that this faction of posters who are coming with this attitude like “lmao silly Americans, your Nuguse is cute but don’t act like he can compete on the world stage” are being almost willfully ignorant. He didn’t score 50 points in a G-league basketball game or whatever sports analogy you want to use for dominating a small pond. Hoare/Garcia Romo/Gourley/Tanner aside, he closed a 3:47.38 in 25.8. You can’t fake that, and it’s a gold medal caliber performance.
Obviously he has to show up in that form when it counts, I get that, and even then it certainly doesn’t assure he’ll get the tactics right and be the best on the day (don’t forget Wightman beat Ingrebrigtsen for gold). But it does show pretty convincingly that Nuguse has the potential to beat anyone in the world on his day. That’s what we’re excited about.
Hocker was doing things like closing a 3:53.71 in 25.87 (NCAA indoor championships) so 6.4 seconds slower with a similar last 200 - he’d be 50m behind Nuguse in that run. There were a few people who thought Hocker could medal, I’m sure, but for the most part the debate was between those who thought he had it in him to qualify for the Olympic team and potentially make the final and people who insisted he was just a 3:35 guy who’d be smoked by Centro. Considering he ran 3:31 for 6th in the Olympics, I think Hocker proved just as legit as many were thinking, and these early season Nuguse performances are on another level entirely.
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John Wesley Harding wrote:
Yeah657 wrote:
Every year its the same, but some people never eat their words, just rinse and repeat. Two years ago it was Hocker. Let them race before you guys crown a new champion.
I’m not crowning a new champion - that will wait until the fourth week of August. I’m saying that this faction of posters who are coming with this attitude like “lmao silly Americans, your Nuguse is cute but don’t act like he can compete on the world stage” are being almost willfully ignorant. He didn’t score 50 points in a G-league basketball game or whatever sports analogy you want to use for dominating a small pond. Hoare/Garcia Romo/Gourley/Tanner aside, he closed a 3:47.38 in 25.8. You can’t fake that, and it’s a gold medal caliber performance.
Obviously he has to show up in that form when it counts, I get that, and even then it certainly doesn’t assure he’ll get the tactics right and be the best on the day (don’t forget Wightman beat Ingrebrigtsen for gold). But it does show pretty convincingly that Nuguse has the potential to beat anyone in the world on his day. That’s what we’re excited about.
Hocker was doing things like closing a 3:53.71 in 25.87 (NCAA indoor championships) so 6.4 seconds slower with a similar last 200 - he’d be 50m behind Nuguse in that run. There were a few people who thought Hocker could medal, I’m sure, but for the most part the debate was between those who thought he had it in him to qualify for the Olympic team and potentially make the final and people who insisted he was just a 3:35 guy who’d be smoked by Centro. Considering he ran 3:31 for 6th in the Olympics, I think Hocker proved just as legit as many were thinking, and these early season Nuguse performances are on another level entirely.
what was hocker's close in the olympics, which was basically equivalent to the run Nuguse just had...
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high school xc coach wrote:
John Wesley Harding wrote:
I’m not crowning a new champion - that will wait until the fourth week of August. I’m saying that this faction of posters who are coming with this attitude like “lmao silly Americans, your Nuguse is cute but don’t act like he can compete on the world stage” are being almost willfully ignorant. He didn’t score 50 points in a G-league basketball game or whatever sports analogy you want to use for dominating a small pond. Hoare/Garcia Romo/Gourley/Tanner aside, he closed a 3:47.38 in 25.8. You can’t fake that, and it’s a gold medal caliber performance.
Obviously he has to show up in that form when it counts, I get that, and even then it certainly doesn’t assure he’ll get the tactics right and be the best on the day (don’t forget Wightman beat Ingrebrigtsen for gold). But it does show pretty convincingly that Nuguse has the potential to beat anyone in the world on his day. That’s what we’re excited about.
Hocker was doing things like closing a 3:53.71 in 25.87 (NCAA indoor championships) so 6.4 seconds slower with a similar last 200 - he’d be 50m behind Nuguse in that run. There were a few people who thought Hocker could medal, I’m sure, but for the most part the debate was between those who thought he had it in him to qualify for the Olympic team and potentially make the final and people who insisted he was just a 3:35 guy who’d be smoked by Centro. Considering he ran 3:31 for 6th in the Olympics, I think Hocker proved just as legit as many were thinking, and these early season Nuguse performances are on another level entirely.
what was hocker's close in the olympics, which was basically equivalent to the run Nuguse just had...
just checked and last 200 was something around 27.4, and final 400 was 54.8, compared Nuguse at 54.1 I believe.
Even if Nuguse can't do better than that run, he is a contender.
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Nuguse could be the biggest next thing and he could be the biggest "farce" too... Remember he not the alone running in the world. There is big old continent waiting and that we try to shoot by all means using drugs allegations.
Here is a example of a runner that ranked 14 in the Olympic Finals less than two years ago and now he is running a AR with 12:51
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John Wesley Harding wrote:
I’m not crowning a new champion - that will wait until the fourth week of August. I’m saying that this faction of posters who are coming with this attitude like “lmao silly Americans, your Nuguse is cute but don’t act like he can compete on the world stage” are being almost willfully ignorant. He didn’t score 50 points in a G-league basketball game or whatever sports analogy you want to use for dominating a small pond. Hoare/Garcia Romo/Gourley/Tanner aside, he closed a 3:47.38 in 25.8. You can’t fake that, and it’s a gold medal caliber performance.
Obviously he has to show up in that form when it counts, I get that, and even then it certainly doesn’t assure he’ll get the tactics right and be the best on the day (don’t forget Wightman beat Ingrebrigtsen for gold). But it does show pretty convincingly that Nuguse has the potential to beat anyone in the world on his day. That’s what we’re excited about.
Hocker was doing things like closing a 3:53.71 in 25.87 (NCAA indoor championships) so 6.4 seconds slower with a similar last 200 - he’d be 50m behind Nuguse in that run. There were a few people who thought Hocker could medal, I’m sure, but for the most part the debate was between those who thought he had it in him to qualify for the Olympic team and potentially make the final and people who insisted he was just a 3:35 guy who’d be smoked by Centro. Considering he ran 3:31 for 6th in the Olympics, I think Hocker proved just as legit as many were thinking, and these early season Nuguse performances are on another level entirely.
Did the doubters actually watch the last two Nuguse races? I’d like to hear from somebody who watched and is like, “nah, not impressed.” After 2022 many people have Hoare ranked as high as 3rd in the 1500. He came to Millrose fit based on some early season efforts in things like xc, and based on his own words he was pretty sharp. Hoare felt he was ready to challenge the world record, it was clear. Nuguse demolished Hoare. Yes, the only 1500 that really matters this year is not for many months, but it’s silly to not admit that Nuguse has emerged as a force to be reckoned with, even by Jakob.
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Is this meet going to be streamed live or not? If so, where? Thanks
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Rooting for Fisher, expecting Katir to take the dub
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Wise Old Man wrote:
John Wesley Harding wrote:
I’m not crowning a new champion - that will wait until the fourth week of August. I’m saying that this faction of posters who are coming with this attitude like “lmao silly Americans, your Nuguse is cute but don’t act like he can compete on the world stage” are being almost willfully ignorant. He didn’t score 50 points in a G-league basketball game or whatever sports analogy you want to use for dominating a small pond. Hoare/Garcia Romo/Gourley/Tanner aside, he closed a 3:47.38 in 25.8. You can’t fake that, and it’s a gold medal caliber performance.
Obviously he has to show up in that form when it counts, I get that, and even then it certainly doesn’t assure he’ll get the tactics right and be the best on the day (don’t forget Wightman beat Ingrebrigtsen for gold). But it does show pretty convincingly that Nuguse has the potential to beat anyone in the world on his day. That’s what we’re excited about.
Hocker was doing things like closing a 3:53.71 in 25.87 (NCAA indoor championships) so 6.4 seconds slower with a similar last 200 - he’d be 50m behind Nuguse in that run. There were a few people who thought Hocker could medal, I’m sure, but for the most part the debate was between those who thought he had it in him to qualify for the Olympic team and potentially make the final and people who insisted he was just a 3:35 guy who’d be smoked by Centro. Considering he ran 3:31 for 6th in the Olympics, I think Hocker proved just as legit as many were thinking, and these early season Nuguse performances are on another level entirely.
Did the doubters actually watch the last two Nuguse races? I’d like to hear from somebody who watched and is like, “nah, not impressed.” After 2022 many people have Hoare ranked as high as 3rd in the 1500. He came to Millrose fit based on some early season efforts in things like xc, and based on his own words he was pretty sharp. Hoare felt he was ready to challenge the world record, it was clear. Nuguse demolished Hoare. Yes, the only 1500 that really matters this year is not for many months, but it’s silly to not admit that Nuguse has emerged as a force to be reckoned with, even by Jakob.
Yeah this wasn't people extrapolating potential into the future, this was straight up a medal caliber performance in February. Now of course, its a whole different world to do it in August after 3 rounds, with Jakob running a 55 on that 3rd lap. But there are plenty of reasons to be excited, particularly given that he has only been pro & at altitude for 6 months
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Seb Coe.. wrote:
Wise Old Man wrote:
Did the doubters actually watch the last two Nuguse races? I’d like to hear from somebody who watched and is like, “nah, not impressed.” After 2022 many people have Hoare ranked as high as 3rd in the 1500. He came to Millrose fit based on some early season efforts in things like xc, and based on his own words he was pretty sharp. Hoare felt he was ready to challenge the world record, it was clear. Nuguse demolished Hoare. Yes, the only 1500 that really matters this year is not for many months, but it’s silly to not admit that Nuguse has emerged as a force to be reckoned with, even by Jakob.
Yeah this wasn't people extrapolating potential into the future, this was straight up a medal caliber performance in February. Now of course, its a whole different world to do it in August after 3 rounds, with Jakob running a 55 on that 3rd lap. But there are plenty of reasons to be excited, particularly given that he has only been pro & at altitude for 6 months
Jakob ran a 54.42 on the last lap of a 3:28.32, which is equivalent to 3:45. After rounds. VERY FAST rounds. his best is the very best in the world. He can be beat, but not on his best day.
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high school xc coach wrote:
Seb Coe.. wrote:
Yeah this wasn't people extrapolating potential into the future, this was straight up a medal caliber performance in February. Now of course, its a whole different world to do it in August after 3 rounds, with Jakob running a 55 on that 3rd lap. But there are plenty of reasons to be excited, particularly given that he has only been pro & at altitude for 6 months
Jakob ran a 54.42 on the last lap of a 3:28.32, which is equivalent to 3:45. After rounds. VERY FAST rounds. his best is the very best in the world. He can be beat, but not on his best day.
I totally agree with this post..but..and this sounds contrary..if he is off just a little now..he is more catchable. And why is this meet not streamed globally..That is never understand. Even on an easy to buy PPV. I really wanted to see 3K for sure.
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John Wesley Harding wrote:
I’m not crowning a new champion - that will wait until the fourth week of August. I’m saying that this faction of posters who are coming with this attitude like “lmao silly Americans, your Nuguse is cute but don’t act like he can compete on the world stage” are being almost willfully ignorant. He didn’t score 50 points in a G-league basketball game or whatever sports analogy you want to use for dominating a small pond. Hoare/Garcia Romo/Gourley/Tanner aside, he closed a 3:47.38 in 25.8. You can’t fake that, and it’s a gold medal caliber performance.
Obviously he has to show up in that form when it counts, I get that, and even then it certainly doesn’t assure he’ll get the tactics right and be the best on the day (don’t forget Wightman beat Ingrebrigtsen for gold). But it does show pretty convincingly that Nuguse has the potential to beat anyone in the world on his day. That’s what we’re excited about.
Hocker was doing things like closing a 3:53.71 in 25.87 (NCAA indoor championships) so 6.4 seconds slower with a similar last 200 - he’d be 50m behind Nuguse in that run. There were a few people who thought Hocker could medal, I’m sure, but for the most part the debate was between those who thought he had it in him to qualify for the Olympic team and potentially make the final and people who insisted he was just a 3:35 guy who’d be smoked by Centro. Considering he ran 3:31 for 6th in the Olympics, I think Hocker proved just as legit as many were thinking, and these early season Nuguse performances are on another level entirely.
The backlash to saying Nuguse is in the medal discussion is insane. For the people getting excited about Hocker in 2021, it was about his chances in a tactical, slow race and of navigating the rounds. There were people saying his max 1500 time was 3:34-3:35 based on his PB, which was idiotic considering he had a 3:50 mile anyway which converts to 3:33. His 3:34/3:35 clockings included a series of very fast finishes like the 12.2 at USA Outdoors. The prevailing view from those bullish on Hocker was * if * the Olympics were slow, Hocker's finishing kick was historically competitive (it was and is). Hocker cruised through the rounds about as easy as anyone not named Cheruiyot, Kipsang, Wightman or Ingebridsten. Of course Tim Cheruiyot made it a historically fast final and most Hocker fans (including both of us) were validated in saying his fitness was in the 3:31-32 range. Lo and behold, he ran that.
For Nuguse, his tactics and positioning are always going to be the concern. Ritz's peaking of the OAC will be another. But the engine/fitness is no longer in doubt. You'd be a fool to downplay the sort of performances he's recently put up.This post was edited 59 seconds after it was posted.102 -
high school xc coach wrote:
Jakob ran a 54.42 on the last lap of a 3:28.32, which is equivalent to 3:45. After rounds. VERY FAST rounds. his best is the very best in the world. He can be beat, but not on his best day.
The one holdup in this thought is now Jakob is the man in these races. He is unlikely to get Tim pacing him for 1300 meters. He will have to win and control from the front. We saw last year the Kenyans throwing surges at him to take the lead eventually wore him down so that Wightman could get by. It is really hard to win front-running unless you are much better, or behind you a bunch of runners overexert themselves fighting for position. Wightman and Kerr have shown they can run really smart races wasting minimal energy. And if last year's any indication Kipsang and Cheruiyot might take multiple runs at Jakob.
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