Star List for Lievin J. Ingebrigtsen in 1500, G. Fisher in 3000

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Yeah657 wrote:

Every year its the same, but some people never eat their words, just rinse and repeat. Two years ago it was Hocker. Let them race before you guys crown a new champion.

I’m not crowning a new champion - that will wait until the fourth week of August. I’m saying that this faction of posters who are coming with this attitude like “lmao silly Americans, your Nuguse is cute but don’t act like he can compete on the world stage” are being almost willfully ignorant. He didn’t score 50 points in a G-league basketball game or whatever sports analogy you want to use for dominating a small pond. Hoare/Garcia Romo/Gourley/Tanner aside, he closed a 3:47.38 in 25.8. You can’t fake that, and it’s a gold medal caliber performance.

Obviously he has to show up in that form when it counts, I get that, and even then it certainly doesn’t assure he’ll get the tactics right and be the best on the day (don’t forget Wightman beat Ingrebrigtsen for gold). But it does show pretty convincingly that Nuguse has the potential to beat anyone in the world on his day. That’s what we’re excited about.

Hocker was doing things like closing a 3:53.71 in 25.87 (NCAA indoor championships) so 6.4 seconds slower with a similar last 200 - he’d be 50m behind Nuguse in that run. There were a few people who thought Hocker could medal, I’m sure, but for the most part the debate was between those who thought he had it in him to qualify for the Olympic team and potentially make the final and people who insisted he was just a 3:35 guy who’d be smoked by Centro. Considering he ran 3:31 for 6th in the Olympics, I think Hocker proved just as legit as many were thinking, and these early season Nuguse performances are on another level entirely.

high school xc coach wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

I’m not crowning a new champion - that will wait until the fourth week of August. I’m saying that this faction of posters who are coming with this attitude like “lmao silly Americans, your Nuguse is cute but don’t act like he can compete on the world stage” are being almost willfully ignorant. He didn’t score 50 points in a G-league basketball game or whatever sports analogy you want to use for dominating a small pond. Hoare/Garcia Romo/Gourley/Tanner aside, he closed a 3:47.38 in 25.8. You can’t fake that, and it’s a gold medal caliber performance.

Obviously he has to show up in that form when it counts, I get that, and even then it certainly doesn’t assure he’ll get the tactics right and be the best on the day (don’t forget Wightman beat Ingrebrigtsen for gold). But it does show pretty convincingly that Nuguse has the potential to beat anyone in the world on his day. That’s what we’re excited about.

Hocker was doing things like closing a 3:53.71 in 25.87 (NCAA indoor championships) so 6.4 seconds slower with a similar last 200 - he’d be 50m behind Nuguse in that run. There were a few people who thought Hocker could medal, I’m sure, but for the most part the debate was between those who thought he had it in him to qualify for the Olympic team and potentially make the final and people who insisted he was just a 3:35 guy who’d be smoked by Centro. Considering he ran 3:31 for 6th in the Olympics, I think Hocker proved just as legit as many were thinking, and these early season Nuguse performances are on another level entirely.

what was hocker's close in the olympics, which was basically equivalent to the run Nuguse just had...

John Wesley Harding wrote:

I’m not crowning a new champion - that will wait until the fourth week of August. I’m saying that this faction of posters who are coming with this attitude like “lmao silly Americans, your Nuguse is cute but don’t act like he can compete on the world stage” are being almost willfully ignorant. He didn’t score 50 points in a G-league basketball game or whatever sports analogy you want to use for dominating a small pond. Hoare/Garcia Romo/Gourley/Tanner aside, he closed a 3:47.38 in 25.8. You can’t fake that, and it’s a gold medal caliber performance.

Obviously he has to show up in that form when it counts, I get that, and even then it certainly doesn’t assure he’ll get the tactics right and be the best on the day (don’t forget Wightman beat Ingrebrigtsen for gold). But it does show pretty convincingly that Nuguse has the potential to beat anyone in the world on his day. That’s what we’re excited about.

Hocker was doing things like closing a 3:53.71 in 25.87 (NCAA indoor championships) so 6.4 seconds slower with a similar last 200 - he’d be 50m behind Nuguse in that run. There were a few people who thought Hocker could medal, I’m sure, but for the most part the debate was between those who thought he had it in him to qualify for the Olympic team and potentially make the final and people who insisted he was just a 3:35 guy who’d be smoked by Centro. Considering he ran 3:31 for 6th in the Olympics, I think Hocker proved just as legit as many were thinking, and these early season Nuguse performances are on another level entirely.

Wise Old Man wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

I’m not crowning a new champion - that will wait until the fourth week of August. I’m saying that this faction of posters who are coming with this attitude like “lmao silly Americans, your Nuguse is cute but don’t act like he can compete on the world stage” are being almost willfully ignorant. He didn’t score 50 points in a G-league basketball game or whatever sports analogy you want to use for dominating a small pond. Hoare/Garcia Romo/Gourley/Tanner aside, he closed a 3:47.38 in 25.8. You can’t fake that, and it’s a gold medal caliber performance.

Obviously he has to show up in that form when it counts, I get that, and even then it certainly doesn’t assure he’ll get the tactics right and be the best on the day (don’t forget Wightman beat Ingrebrigtsen for gold). But it does show pretty convincingly that Nuguse has the potential to beat anyone in the world on his day. That’s what we’re excited about.

Hocker was doing things like closing a 3:53.71 in 25.87 (NCAA indoor championships) so 6.4 seconds slower with a similar last 200 - he’d be 50m behind Nuguse in that run. There were a few people who thought Hocker could medal, I’m sure, but for the most part the debate was between those who thought he had it in him to qualify for the Olympic team and potentially make the final and people who insisted he was just a 3:35 guy who’d be smoked by Centro. Considering he ran 3:31 for 6th in the Olympics, I think Hocker proved just as legit as many were thinking, and these early season Nuguse performances are on another level entirely.

Did the doubters actually watch the last two Nuguse races? I’d like to hear from somebody who watched and is like, “nah, not impressed.” After 2022 many people have Hoare ranked as high as 3rd in the 1500. He came to Millrose fit based on some early season efforts in things like xc, and based on his own words he was pretty sharp. Hoare felt he was ready to challenge the world record, it was clear. Nuguse demolished Hoare. Yes, the only 1500 that really matters this year is not for many months, but it’s silly to not admit that Nuguse has emerged as a force to be reckoned with, even by Jakob.

Seb Coe.. wrote:

Wise Old Man wrote:

Did the doubters actually watch the last two Nuguse races? I’d like to hear from somebody who watched and is like, “nah, not impressed.” After 2022 many people have Hoare ranked as high as 3rd in the 1500. He came to Millrose fit based on some early season efforts in things like xc, and based on his own words he was pretty sharp. Hoare felt he was ready to challenge the world record, it was clear. Nuguse demolished Hoare. Yes, the only 1500 that really matters this year is not for many months, but it’s silly to not admit that Nuguse has emerged as a force to be reckoned with, even by Jakob.

Yeah this wasn't people extrapolating potential into the future, this was straight up a medal caliber performance in February. Now of course, its a whole different world to do it in August after 3 rounds, with Jakob running a 55 on that 3rd lap. But there are plenty of reasons to be excited, particularly given that he has only been pro & at altitude for 6 months

John Wesley Harding wrote:

I’m not crowning a new champion - that will wait until the fourth week of August. I’m saying that this faction of posters who are coming with this attitude like “lmao silly Americans, your Nuguse is cute but don’t act like he can compete on the world stage” are being almost willfully ignorant. He didn’t score 50 points in a G-league basketball game or whatever sports analogy you want to use for dominating a small pond. Hoare/Garcia Romo/Gourley/Tanner aside, he closed a 3:47.38 in 25.8. You can’t fake that, and it’s a gold medal caliber performance.

Obviously he has to show up in that form when it counts, I get that, and even then it certainly doesn’t assure he’ll get the tactics right and be the best on the day (don’t forget Wightman beat Ingrebrigtsen for gold). But it does show pretty convincingly that Nuguse has the potential to beat anyone in the world on his day. That’s what we’re excited about.

Hocker was doing things like closing a 3:53.71 in 25.87 (NCAA indoor championships) so 6.4 seconds slower with a similar last 200 - he’d be 50m behind Nuguse in that run. There were a few people who thought Hocker could medal, I’m sure, but for the most part the debate was between those who thought he had it in him to qualify for the Olympic team and potentially make the final and people who insisted he was just a 3:35 guy who’d be smoked by Centro. Considering he ran 3:31 for 6th in the Olympics, I think Hocker proved just as legit as many were thinking, and these early season Nuguse performances are on another level entirely.