Does running a 3:33 1500 show that Knight is a medal threat at the 5k

oh wow wow wow wrote:

God of Wine wrote:

And just so you can educate yourself, as I live in the world of data.. his 3:33 is superior to his 13:09...

https://www.worldathletics.org/athletes/canada/justyn-knight-14603387

Well that 3:33 shows me he is ready to go under 13 right now.

How do u know just because he is in 3:33 shape that he is sub 13 right now? He may very well be I would like to see him in a fast 5000m to see what he runs

John Macardle wrote:

quarantine me wrote:

You're the same dooche that insulted other NCAA runners when Knight won a couple of NCAA races. You claimed then that he will easily be the top distance runner in NA and likely win medals. What happened to that?? Talk about joker.

I don't remember JWH ever saying as much. I do know that JK has a world final appearance already, and now a shiny new PR.

Yeah, I don’t know what he could be referring to, and I figure he’s just making stuff up.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

John Macardle wrote:

I don't remember JWH ever saying as much. I do know that JK has a world final appearance already, and now a shiny new PR.

Yeah, I don’t know what he could be referring to, and I figure he’s just making stuff up.

African nations will dominate in the 5000m and the 10000 with possibly Ahmed getting top 3 to 5 in the 10

You just described Hocker.

Aouita 84 wrote:

Lenny Leonard wrote:

Some data for Mr. Dionysus here:

Bronze medal times for 5000m at Olympics/WC with the runner's 1500m PR at the time:

2019 - 13:01 - 3:40

2017 - 13:33 - 3:39

2016 - 13:04 - NT (7:30 3k)

2015 -13:51 - NT (7:30 3k)

His 1500m is better based on points, but that has nothing to do with championship racing. He should be a sub-13 guy, but he doesn't even have to be to medal.

Safe to say that ALL medalists will be sub 13:00 guys. Being in the low 3:30's (3:49-3:52 mile) for the 1500m is essential, and being able to close in 52-53.

You just described Hocker.

hockeyyy wrote:

Aouita 84 wrote:

Safe to say that ALL medalists will be sub 13:00 guys. Being in the low 3:30's (3:49-3:52 mile) for the 1500m is essential, and being able to close in 52-53.

You just described Hocker.

No he didn't. He said that 5000m medalists need to be sub 13 guys, low 3:30s guys, and able to close in 52-53. Hocker isn't a sub 13 guy.

quarantine me wrote:

Uhhhhh, lol. He is slower than Fisher, Scott, McGorty & Klecker. He wouldn't even make the final. 5000 is really packed now with talent. No chance.

McGorty looks like is going to jump into steeplechase since he felt he has no chance in the 5000.

Knight has even less of a chance.

You're smoking crack if you think Klecker can beat Knight at any distance

Knight has never lost a race to the guys you mention either.

Klecker runs good PRs but never wins

Fischer and McGorty win some.

Knight wins lots

McGorty going to steeple because he can't make US 5k team?

Cool

....You do know that Knight is Canadian, right?

Galen Rupp's 1500m PR is 3:34

Fasterer wrote:

quarantine me wrote:

Uhhhhh, lol. He is slower than Fisher, Scott, McGorty & Klecker. He wouldn't even make the final. 5000 is really packed now with talent. No chance.

McGorty looks like is going to jump into steeplechase since he felt he has no chance in the 5000.

Knight has even less of a chance.

You're smoking crack if you think Klecker can beat Knight at any distance

Knight has never lost a race to the guys you mention either.

Klecker runs good PRs but never wins

Fischer and McGorty win some.

Knight wins lots

McGorty going to steeple because he can't make US 5k team?

Cool

....You do know that Knight is Canadian, right?

So dumb. Klecker recently nearly beat Knight in a 3000 this year and that distance is more in Knights wheelhouse. Klecker is better in the 5k no doubt, and no amount of BS will disprove that until Knight runs a 3:05 or better.

Also, Knight better than the other three? What planet are you on? The only things Knight won was a few meaningless things 5 years ago and has stagnated while the other guys have improved.

Morgan McDonald destroyed Knight in that 3000 this year and McDonald is most definitely not in Scott/Fisher/McGorty territory. Knight is a has been kept alive by the old time disrespectful, ignorant fanboys.

Dumb take. Knight has continued to improve.

seasoned ranker wrote:

quarantine me wrote:

So dumb. Klecker recently nearly beat Knight in a 3000 this year and that distance is more in Knights wheelhouse. Klecker is better in the 5k no doubt, and no amount of BS will disprove that until Knight runs a 3:05 or better.

Also, Knight better than the other three? What planet are you on? The only things Knight won was a few meaningless things 5 years ago and has stagnated while the other guys have improved.

Morgan McDonald destroyed Knight in that 3000 this year and McDonald is most definitely not in Scott/Fisher/McGorty territory. Knight is a has been kept alive by the old time disrespectful, ignorant fanboys.

Dumb take. Knight has continued to improve.

Also, what 3000 did Morgan McDonald “destroy” Knight in this year? The 3000 split of the 2 mile before Knight ran away from him and Klecker?

Lol nice failure.

God of Wine wrote:

No, because he is worse at the 5k than he is at the 1500m.

How do you know that? You just take his PRs at face value and make this statement, but clearly Knight is showing he could probably run a PR at 5k right now. When he ran 3:35 a couple weeks ago he said it wasn't where he knew he should be at 1500. He runs 3:33 now to back that statement up. I'd take a 13:09 guy with 3:33 speed over a 3:33 guy with 13:09 speed.

Fasterer wrote:

quarantine me wrote:

Uhhhhh, lol. He is slower than Fisher, Scott, McGorty & Klecker. He wouldn't even make the final. 5000 is really packed now with talent. No chance.

McGorty looks like is going to jump into steeplechase since he felt he has no chance in the 5000.

Knight has even less of a chance.

You're smoking crack if you think Klecker can beat Knight at any distance

Knight has never lost a race to the guys you mention either.

Klecker runs good PRs but never wins

Fischer and McGorty win some.

Knight wins lots

McGorty going to steeple because he can't make US 5k team?

Cool

....You do know that Knight is Canadian, right?

They’re all roughly equal - national class, but not world class. Maybe someone will pop off the page this year, but most likely not. B level athletes until proven otherwise - certainly not worth this argument.

I could have believed that until a couple months ago. Fisher has seemed to have separated himself from the other guys. He seemed like he had so much more in the tank in that 5000.

Would love to see him in a fast DL this year. I think he could threaten the AR.

He’s not even the fastest American or Canadian on his own team.

John Macardle wrote:

hockeyyy wrote:

You just described Hocker.

No he didn't. He said that 5000m medalists need to be sub 13 guys, low 3:30s guys, and able to close in 52-53. Hocker isn't a sub 13 guy.

The "you don't need to be sub 13 medal" take is very disingenuous too. Take Ahmed in 2019. Sure the guy ran 13:01 and only had a PR of 3:40 in the 1500, but he already has run 12:58 that season and the following year ran 12:47 and a solo 3:34. You want a medal in the 5000 you need to be capable of 12:55 or better.

In 2019 Ahmed "only" ran 13:01, but they also went through much more leisurely before he wound up the pace with 1200 to go, gaping the rest of the field (including Knight). A 5k kick also isn't the same as a "last 400/200m" kick. It's winding up the pace from 1-2km out. I actually think Ahmed's last 200 was slower than the previous 200m but he still overtook Jakob for bronze because he had more strength so didn't tie up horrifically.

I love Justyn as an athlete, how he runs and he comes across a nice dude, but you gotta be on that other level to medal. Especially if you wind up in a race with Cheptegei.

The Fisher>The Hunter wrote:

I could have believed that until a couple months ago. Fisher has seemed to have separated himself from the other guys. He seemed like he had so much more in the tank in that 5000.

Would love to see him in a fast DL this year. I think he could threaten the AR.

When you’ve made the most recent world championship 5k final and just run 3:33 for 1500, you’re World class IMO.

I’d give both Fisher and Knight a solid ~50% chance of sub-13 in the next 16 months, possibly much sooner. I think they’re both capable of 12:59 already, but it’s a matter of getting in the right race on a good day.

...and I quoted the wrong post

seasoned ranker wrote:

seasoned ranker wrote:

Dumb take. Knight has continued to improve.

Also, what 3000 did Morgan McDonald “destroy” Knight in this year? The 3000 split of the 2 mile before Knight ran away from him and Klecker?

Lol nice failure.

Bump for the dumb@ss.