2018 Tokyo Marathon - Live Stream, Results, Official Thread

Truth Teller!! wrote:

jhand366 wrote:

Congrats to Cragg!!!! Massive PR. How far back was she from second?

Obvious doper!

Yup. 5 + minutes PR is hard to believe.

*stipe wrote:

Obviously the Japanese have incredible depth and prioritize domestic events. But why has this not translated into International success?

Well Hiromi Taniguchi did win the marathon at the Worlds in Tokyo in 1991 (third went to an American). And of course Takahashi and Noguchi won the women's Olympic marathon in 2000 and 2004. So overall they've actually been more successful internationally in the marathon than any other non-African country.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a Japanese runner like Shitara, Inoue, or Osako do very well in the brutal heat of the 2020 Oly marathon in Tokyo (less likely to be Osako because he's not based on Japan now).

kiowavt wrote:

Beyond that no value, and always silly. To me it shows a certain disrespect for what a WR is.

I don't think it's silly if the words are spoken by someone who has actually held the record before (and has more recently come within 16 seconds of it).

Dressel wrote:

The ignorance is strong in this thread from both sides.

A few facts for everyone

Europe is the epicentre of athletics races(it's where all the best go to compete)

Rupp is a hell of a marathon runner(closing a 2:09.20 race with a last 10k of 28:30 is incredible and very few if any outside of Kipchoge has that ability)

Japan has a huge history of International marathon winners(3rd all-time on Olympic and World medalists)

American Marathon running is on the rise again after a long drought

You are all a bunch of ignornant fools

These are all facts. Now please shut up.

Not to derail things on this point, but where are you getting this 28:30 figure? The Chicago results list Rupp's 30-35k as 15:22 and 35-40k as 14:25, 40k to finish is 6:13. 2.2k @ 15:22 pace is about 6:45, so I would say at best the last 10k was in the neighborhood of 14:25 + 15:22 - 32 sec = 29:15. The only way it could've been much fast is if Rupp ran 30 to 32.2k slower than 15:22 pace, which seems unlikely, and at any rate it couldn't amount to much more than 10sec even if he did.

Closing a 2:09 marathon in 29:15 is undoubtedly phenomenal running, but it's not closing in 28:30.

As far as "very few if any outside of Kipchoge has that ability" - well, sure, maybe the 28:30 thing, but there are certainly Kenyan runners who have exceeded Rupp's Chicago performance.

For reference, Lawrence Cherono ran 2:05:09 in Amsterdam 2017. His splits? 30-35k 14:30, 35-40k 14:23, 40k to finish 6:24. Now, if I recall right Amsterdam ends with a lap on the track, and for all I know is a bit faster in the later stages of the race than Chicago. But Cherono still clocked a 28:53 from 30 to 40k, and his last 10k must've been roughly the same. Is it impressive to see that Rupp's last 2.2k was 11 seconds faster? absolutely. But still, Cherono closed a 2:05 marathon in 28:53, which leaves plenty of cushion for a closing Rupp. By the way, 4 other men finished Amsterdam in under 2:06, and from what I can tell all four ran 30-40k around 29:0x, albeit slowing somewhat drastically from 40k to the finish.

Anyways, I'm just trying to give some context for Rupp's close, and giving some concrete numbers around the continuously raging debate as to how he compares to other elite Marathoners.

From letsrun

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/10/american-galen-rupp-wins-2017-chicago-marathon-1st-american-born-winner-35-years/

[quote]Rupp is the first American-born winner in Chicago since Greg Meyer won in 1982 (Khalid Khannouchi won the race in 1997 and 1999 for Morocco and 2000 and 2002 for the US). He got the win by ripping off five straight sub-4:40 miles for miles 22 (4:39), 23 (4:35), 24 (4:30), 25 (4:34), and 26 (4:33) to decimate the five-man lead pack[/[quote]

Those last 5 miles average 4:34 pace which is 28:23 pace for 10k(sub-2 marathon pace)

I need a Vaporfly report. Who else besides Cragg was racing in them?

the next cheesecake wrote:

Why aren't there more Japanese runners in the NCAA? T

Because they have the Hakone Ekiden.

Vaporflyer wrote:

I need a Vaporfly report. Who else besides Cragg was racing in them?

Cragg raced in vaporflys? Then her PR does not count. I'm sorry, but those who wear those shoes are cheating.

a PR by 5 mins? and has never run that fast without the shoes?

I'm telling you, those shoes should be banned. period.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Vaporflyer wrote:

I need a Vaporfly report. Who else besides Cragg was racing in them?

Cragg raced in vaporflys? Then her PR does not count. I'm sorry, but those who wear those shoes are cheating.

a PR by 5 mins? and has never run that fast without the shoes?

I'm telling you, those shoes should be banned. period.

Nike owns IAAF which means these shoes will never be banned... other brands better start working on similar shoes.

It's Egun wrote:

The eikeden courses are notoriously short.

Comically so.

If they weren't, then Japanese runners would sweep the olympic 10k and marathon....

But they don't even place.

japanese cheat out if their a**es, it's their culture.

The courses are short.

Period.

Today's course measured 26.58 on my Garmin. Could have been all the skycrapers messing with my signal, but just sayin'.

Shitara said after the race that his objectives for the rest of the year are simple, to run under an hour for the HM and run 2:05:xx for the marathon. Doable or not?

yes.

SHOUT TO AMY!!!

Way to Go!

You Rock!

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

So looking forward to seeing you in 2020!

Taro wrote:

klubkip1 wrote:

No way an athlete in an international event should get more prize money for breaking the National record, than for winning the event. Thats discriminatory and just plain wrong.

Technically, it wasn't prize money, because it wasn't paid by the race organizers. It was an incentive reward offered by the national governing body. And Shitara would have received it even if he'd broken the record in Chicago, London, Berlin, or any other race certified for record purposes. He just happened to do it at home.

Would you have the same complaint if USATF or a rich track fan were to offer $1 million to any American who breaks the AR?

Thank you for that detail. It would be nice if USATF would pay our athletes for performing their job duties as well as they pay themselves for udderly failing at their own.

Great job on the broadcast, Brett!

Brett in Tokyo wrote:

the next cheesecake wrote:

Why aren't there more Japanese runners in the NCAA? T

Because they have the Hakone Ekiden.

Unfortunately 10km is more than 5 miles. It s actually more than 6.

quit the trolling wrote:

Dressel wrote:

The ignorance is strong in this thread from both sides.

A few facts for everyone

Europe is the epicentre of athletics races(it's where all the best go to compete)

Rupp is a hell of a marathon runner(closing a 2:09.20 race with a last 10k of 28:30 is incredible and very few if any outside of Kipchoge has that ability)

Japan has a huge history of International marathon winners(3rd all-time on Olympic and World medalists)

American Marathon running is on the rise again after a long drought

You are all a bunch of ignornant fools

These are all facts. Now please shut up.

This. x10000.

I really can't tell if people are trolling or being serious with the "Rupp is a 2:09 marathoner" nonsense. Why can't you people just be happy that we actually have an internationally competitive marathoner?

Because Rupp is unlikable and the NOP is a shady operation. I don't care if people are from different countries, I like to watch them win more than Rupp (Kipchoge, etc.).

All the intense work she put in from starting point of a 227..truly you jest. All of the self knowledge she acquired along the way all the striving to get improve to get faster...lol...yeah, it's definitely the shoes...surely Im jestly you...lol

I ran in keds as a kid.

I TRULY BELIEVED!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rUFlXZzbE8

It's Egun wrote:

The eikeden courses are notoriously short..

What's an eikeden?