Tribute to 02:20 Marathon

highhoppingworm wrote:

We are talking laterunnerphil?

No.

Enjoy the lies and the train wreck.

Got it. Sorry. That’s why I was confused.

The Wizard JS wrote:

highhoppingworm wrote:

We are talking laterunnerphil?

No, he has never been that good but could have been with me as coach. He turned down my offer to coach him for free.The Phil we are talking about here is another Phil.

You want to ruin another Phil?

ek87o78o78o wrote:

The Wizard JS wrote:

He passed through halfway in his marathon race at 1:10 ( 32:28 at first 10 k ). He ran a new PB at 10 miles race in 51 min and he won a couple of solo local 5 k races at around 15min.

And then blew up.

So you failed in your magic mission to have him run sub 2:20 then.

Why did your magic fail?

everybody knows it, not enough miles, too much focus on 5k pace for a marathoner

Impala31 wrote:

ek87o78o78o wrote:

And then blew up.

So you failed in your magic mission to have him run sub 2:20 then.

Why did your magic fail?

everybody knows it, not enough miles, too much focus on 5k pace for a marathoner

And that's JS's claim. That you can prepare and run a marathon to your full potential on low mileage.

Let's see with Slava...

ek87o78o78o wrote:

The Wizard JS wrote:

No, he has never been that good but could have been with me as coach. He turned down my offer to coach him for free.The Phil we are talking about here is another Phil.

You want to ruin another Phil?

Ruin is a bit extreme. I think J.S. is correct in saying that I needed a couple more years. Ran a couple 1:08 half’s and sub 15 5k TT’s this year. Hopefully next year down to 1:06ish and sub 2:20 if we are able to have real races.

45th week:

Mo: e

Tu: track 20x400@68s avg, rec w/120=91s avg

We: injured

Th: injured

Fr: injured

Ran with a little pain the last 5 weeks, then let go, then again. I went to the Orthopedist after all: I have first-degree longitudinal flat feet and second-degree transverse flat feet. On the left foot overloaded a navicular bone: 1 week without running. I made foot casts and ordered orthopedic insoles, they should be ready on Monday. Every day I pump my feet, especially the tibial muscle, which holds the arch of the foot, ice+ tiger balm 3 times a day + gymnastics for all the muscles of the foot. I had flat feet for a long time, I knew about it, but when I started running, I had no problems until the volume of running began to exceed 100 km per week and high-intensity training appeared. I also had old injuries from windsurfing: minor sprains. The orthopedist said that if the pain passes on the 4th-5th day, you can start running, but it's better to wait until the insoles are made and run in them. The doctor said, since you are tall, weight 78-80 kg, large foot size + flat feet, you need shoes with maximum foam thickness and pump the muscles of the feet with gymnastics constantly, such as orthopedic insoles are good, but the muscles and ligaments are the main thing.

Canefis wrote:

45th week:

Ran with a little pain the last 5 weeks, then let go, then again.

Did you talked to coach about it?

20x400m @68s while in (little) pain does not sound like a good idea. Why no easy runs instead?

Btw, Good luck on recovery

sorry about this Slava, but isnt it what everyone predicted and magic wizard said was impossible?

good luck on your recovery, and if what i said above is right, maybe consider your coach?

Hope the specific exercises and the insoles will solve your problem!

I guess the threadmill was also a little more forgiving for your feet than asfalt and tartan.

Do you have some soft trails you might be able to use?

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

Not kidding wrote:

COACH J.S Jan Stensson

You look to be very talented ! Your development goes fast . We just hope we can keep you injury free... - COACH J.S - Swedish middle/longdistance super coach :)

But....you are the magic coach? But...you hope?? to keep him injury free??

A magic coach should know how to keep his runner from getting an injury

Doesn`t matter who the coach is there is no 100% guarantee the runner won`t get an injury. But the chance of keeping to be injuryfree is higher when using a low mileage system and individual perfect calibrated paces. A couple of the runners I start to coach five years ago and still coach has never got an injury. Of course I`m not magic, but my coaching seem to be ;)

- Magic J.S - :)

O boy, a bit of a failure

Get well soon Slava!

pupil3142 wrote:

sorry about this Slava, but isnt it what everyone predicted and magic wizard said was impossible?

good luck on your recovery, and if what i said above is right, maybe consider your coach?

I had one injury in april-right foot, it tooks 3 weeks to cure it. Injury was due to wrong shoes + my flat feet. Long time ago I knew that with flat feet it is very high risk of injury, but I did not expect, that after my simple running I will be able to run 100km+ per week already after 4-5 months and that time I should worry about orthopedic insoles, exercises+yoga and so on... ?

do tell me wrote:

Canefis wrote:

45th week:

Ran with a little pain the last 5 weeks, then let go, then again.

Did you talked to coach about it?

20x400m @68s while in (little) pain does not sound like a good idea. Why no easy runs instead?

Either stupid training or brilliant trolling.

BZ wrote:

Hope the specific exercises and the insoles will solve your problem!

I guess the threadmill was also a little more forgiving for your feet than asfalt and tartan.

Do you have some soft trails you might be able to use?

I have nike pegasus turbo 2 + vaporfly next% just bought them. Any else suggestion regarding daily running shoes with maximum foam and softness, will be appreciate?

umm, what? wrote:

do tell me wrote:

Did you talked to coach about it?

20x400m @68s while in (little) pain does not sound like a good idea. Why no easy runs instead?

No no, Slava is for real

https://www.strava.com/activities/4279277188

Either stupid training or brilliant trolling.

Canefis wrote:

BZ wrote:

Hope the specific exercises and the insoles will solve your problem!

I guess the threadmill was also a little more forgiving for your feet than asfalt and tartan.

Do you have some soft trails you might be able to use?

I have nike pegasus turbo 2 + vaporfly next% just bought them. Any else suggestion regarding daily running shoes with maximum foam and softness, will be appreciate?

Top 5:

5) saucony endorphin shift (good for daily)

4) hoka clifton (good for daily)

3) adidas adios pro (daily?+race)

2) nike tempo next (tempo, daily?)

1) nike alpha fly (race, daily?? ?)

Does any body have experience with first 3 in the list?

I found the magic store, where have most all of them with any sizes

Infinity React is my favorite junk mile shoe.

highhoppingworm wrote:

Infinity React is my favorite junk mile shoe.

Thanks.