The course had a few hills, yes, but nothing too dramatic. I've run plenty of courses that had just as much up and down.
Apart from a couple of (man made?) sections the course was dry and firm; if it had been soft and muddy some of the downhill and a few of the bends might have been a bit tricky. But if you want a smooth consistent surface you should race on the road or the track!
milermb wrote:
The course had a few hills, yes, but nothing too dramatic. I've run plenty of courses that had just as much up and down.
Apart from a couple of (man made?) sections the course was dry and firm; if it had been soft and muddy some of the downhill and a few of the bends might have been a bit tricky. But if you want a smooth consistent surface you should race on the road or the track!
The impression given by the IAAF media was that this was a super hard race course.
16 Senior women's teams. USA finished 8th.
16 U20 women teams. USA finished 14th.
16 U20 men's teams. USA finished 6th.
18 Senior men's teams and the USA finished 11th.
It's pretty obvious that the World XC meet is not a top priority for the USA.
showed up wrote:
Army team wrote:
US Army team needs to upgrade. Begin EPO regiment instead of push ups. Our Kenyan Army team went home devastated today!
They did a hell of a lot better than the USA-born runners who couldn't beat them to make the team, or were too cowardly to race XC nationals. True, Blankenship, Centro, all of Schumacher's team...WEAK!
True ran US XC Nats dumb a$$
Aakdhankak wrote:
showed up wrote:
They did a hell of a lot better than the USA-born runners who couldn't beat them to make the team, or were too cowardly to race XC nationals. True, Blankenship, Centro, all of Schumacher's team...WEAK!
True ran US XC Nats dumb a$$
And pretty sure he was higher than anyone on the US team today!
Hbvg wrote:
Isn’t it embarrassing that the European 1500/5000 champion opted to race the U-20 instead of the senior race??
Not really, no.
He is really a 15/3 guy and this race is outside of his optimal range as well not being the type of course suited for someone taller.
He was world #4 at 1500 last year and not the world #4 in the 10k.
and no preparations for the event. Well done.
Rupp fan wrote:
It continues to blow my mind just how brutally the East Africans annihilate the rest of the field. Stephanie Bruce was almost 3 minutes behind Obiri. They kick our asses so much harder in XC than they do on the track.
Small size is a major advantage in really rough, soft terrain and big hills. East Africans are 10-15 lbs lighter than westerners on the women's side, and 20-25 on the men's. Guys like MacDonald and Tiernan, who were NCAA champions, would get pummeled on this course.
First, I predicted the winner would run 31:39 in this thread. He ran 31:40.
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9315122&page=1
Taking historical data from previous world XC races, I used 28:35 as a winning time on a "flat" track.
Estimating the hills gave me a total elevation gain of a little over 900 ft or 150 a mile. This works out to 3% incline. The cost of that is 37 seconds per mile. The accepted gain for the down hill is half or 18 seconds. This would make the course 19 seconds per mile slower, but with the amount of turns and mud/obstacles, I added in a buffer.
The end result was that this course was 22 seconds per mile slower than a course that was mostly flat.
rojo wrote:
Tommy2Nuttz wrote:
So,..about the oh so tough course..I hope people like the Brojobs, Radcliffe, Cram etc are feeling like fools today.
Yes it was hard, but seriously, what was the big deal? You people made it sound like it was going to destroy the field, and even ruin XC.
Kiplimo was smiling going up it the first time. They were flying over the roof. Barely any water in the pit and a short muddy section.
Anyway congrats to Joshua Cheptegei, a well deserved victory. He said hes practiced hard on hills in Uganda and it showed.
What are you talking about? We loved the course, said it was tough but fair. Personally, in the future, I'd like to see a course that has more flat on it. This was a little too hilly for me but I never said it would destroy the field.
In fact, there was another thread last night where the guy said exactly what you claim I said. He said the course was like cyclocorss and unreal. I disagreed and said it wasn't that much different than your normal world xc course.
Please read what I wrote as I was pretty much 100% correct
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9315460#9316515
Just started it on Hulu, watching the relay race....why would you start with your females on the longest leg?
Good lord there are some climbs on the course.
Sand, mud, hills, etc.....the organizers must be Tough Mudder fans.
Alan
Alan
yg767 wrote:
Hydlide wrote:
IAAF should be embarrassed for continuing this "U20" farce. Just as the Lord has axed the 5/10k nonsense, this should be next.
Scrap any "junior" champs, ban the Italian coaches, come down HARD on the drug users and pushers.
Until then, the embarrassing results of today will simply repeat.
Salt.....bruh ?
Don't worry, Western civilisation is slowly being shown for the farce it is. It will disappear.
Someone once asked Mahatma Gandhi what he thought of Western civilization. “I think it would be a good idea,” he said.
LetsRun.com wrote:
Should be a great day.
Well what a day to see this event live. As tough as the course was the best runners still won.
As I had a female race this was very exciting.
What happened to US women? My feeling is the hills would have destroyed them.
How is it that Australia had 5 females in before 2nd American?
Dominique Scott went out too hard and paid for it.
Great event.
kiowavt wrote:
Someone once asked Mahatma Gandhi what he thought of Western civilization. “I think it would be a good idea,” he said.
An often used sports quote when asked about the execution of the team. "I'm in favor of it"
rojo wrote:
Tommy2Nuttz wrote:
So,..about the oh so tough course..I hope people like the Brojobs, Radcliffe, Cram etc are feeling like fools today.
Yes it was hard, but seriously, what was the big deal? You people made it sound like it was going to destroy the field, and even ruin XC.
Kiplimo was smiling going up it the first time. They were flying over the roof. Barely any water in the pit and a short muddy section.
Anyway congrats to Joshua Cheptegei, a well deserved victory. He said hes practiced hard on hills in Uganda and it showed.
What are you talking about? We loved the course, said it was tough but fair. Personally, in the future, I'd like to see a course that has more flat on it. This was a little too hilly for me but I never said it would destroy the field.
In fact, there was another thread last night where the guy said exactly what you claim I said. He said the course was like cyclocorss and unreal. I disagreed and said it wasn't that much different than your normal world xc course.
Please read what I wrote as I was pretty much 100% correct
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9315460#9316515
That would be among the easiest cyclocross courses ever.
Makh Daddy 2012 wrote:
Rupp fan wrote:
It continues to blow my mind just how brutally the East Africans annihilate the rest of the field. Stephanie Bruce was almost 3 minutes behind Obiri. They kick our asses so much harder in XC than they do on the track.
Hmmmmm.......... I wonder why the E. Africans are so much better.
Let's ask their Italian coaches! The same ones who currently have multiple athletes sanctioned for EPO use!
Nah can't be that. They still run 20 miles to school every morning, right?
I always wonder why the locate Kenyans schools where nobody lives, so that everyone has to run to school.
Official results can be found here:
https://www.sportstiming.dk/event/5422/participants?search=letsrun
wejo 9:10 1 lap
matt 22:48 3 laps (not marked as dnf)
kelsey 42:08 5 laps
well,, wrote:
I always wonder why the locate Kenyans schools where nobody lives, so that everyone has to run to school.
The schools are in the towns where the kids don't have to run to school. The ones that live far away get in very good shape because they have to run to school. If they put the schools where nobody lived and all those town Kenyans had to run to school, they would have even MORE great runners!!!
What, only 40 VO2Max for Wejo ?! I assume that's for his time on a flat 2K ;-)
Yeah that's what you get with the VDOT calculator.
How about this race was 60% longer than 5k, which is the upper limit of Jakob's range? Not to mention the hills. He's basically a middle distance runner and just had the best World XC performance by a Euro in ages.
So Kelsey Bruce was 1:09 behind Frerichs...but only 6 people in the official standings between them.