Official 2017 Monaco DL Discussion Thread - Oh baby what a meet

Innocent until "proven" guilty. Haven't seen any proof yet. I choose to believe that God-given talent and hard work pay off. But that's just me.

Semenya, Semenya wrote:

Okay, also can people stop saying Niyonsaba is a male. Listening to Semenya speak, she sounds like a man, but Niyonsaba sounds as womenly as you can get

Semenya, Semenya wrote:

Wilson new American record

well,. wrote:

Doped to the gills.

Greg Hill wrote:

Elish McColgan just broke her mom's 3000 record of 8:34.

broken arrow wrote:

Awesome race by Jager, better off watching race on Youtube after the fact, as NBC coverage is absolutely horrible, they have no clue how to broadcast a track meet.

Damn you'd think jager could close a little harder to go under 8 minutes. hit the bell just a smidge over 7:00. Great race from him looking forward to watching him at worlds

Jim H wrote:

If you have some info, perhaps you should share it. Otherwise, how about you just appreciate him for what he is doing.

I agree, and not only with respect to Jager. These unfunny puns and unsubstantiated doping allegations are so tiresome, and the people who post them come across as little more than cynical losers with not an ounce of wit.

So steeple is like horse show jumping?

Jim H wrote:

What does the $60 cover? One meet? A month? A year? Only NBC stuff?

I think it's $69 but I also paid and want to support good coverage of my favorite sport. $ makes a difference. And I saw every minute of the distance races. Live or with rewind (I wanted to watch again the first water jump in the steeple when Hughes had an issue). A few things to note. It covers all the diamond meets, not one. Which is a little late for this year. So it's a lot of track. Access! Finally! For me I made as mistake. I got it as I would be abroad but turns out to be a little bit of a bummer as you cannot watch from abroad without also using a VPN to pretend you are in the US. If I knew that I would not have bothered. I lost a few good meets. I am sure there is a licensing reason, but I wrote them and got cut and paste silliness and not a meaningful answer. So I do recommend it, but not always for me with work travel abroad. Missed that in the fine print. Still, no ads (!!!) and better announcers and seeing complete distance races. Is our sport with a few bucks? I think so.

XY is not female wrote:

Semenya, Semenya wrote:

Okay, also can people stop saying Niyonsaba is a male. Listening to Semenya speak, she sounds like a man, but Niyonsaba sounds as womenly as you can get

As I understand it,

Semenya is actually a man, because she was born with deformed, undescended testes that work to some degree. Her genetics are actually completely XY, but the condition of the genitals at birth confused local "doctors" so they passed her off as a female.

Margaret Wambui is XY female, so she has XY chromosomes but her phenotype is that of a woman. She female in every regard except for chromosomes, and that condition causes the normal female testosterone production to heighten.

Francine Niyonsaba is XX, but has a different sort of hyperandrogenism, so she is a female under all definitions of female, except for increased testosterone.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

alabama runner wrote:

XY is not female wrote:

As I understand it,

Semenya is actually a man, because she was born with deformed, undescended testes that work to some degree. Her genetics are actually completely XY, but the condition of the genitals at birth confused local "doctors" so they passed her off as a female.

Margaret Wambui is XY female, so she has XY chromosomes but her phenotype is that of a woman. She female in every regard except for chromosomes, and that condition causes the normal female testosterone production to heighten.

Francine Niyonsaba is XX, but has a different sort of hyperandrogenism, so she is a female under all definitions of female, except for increased testosterone.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

You are wrong. Semenya was not "confused" by DOCTORS (South Africa has real doctors. And probably a better healthcare system than the US). She is NOT a man. She is a female with internal unformed testes that make her produce more testosterone than other females. She is still more female than male.

Why wasn't DeGrasse inthe 100?

Good idea wrote:

broken arrow wrote:

Awesome race by Jager, better off watching race on Youtube after the fact, as NBC coverage is absolutely horrible, they have no clue how to broadcast a track meet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZbSkDCuTqM

Great race by ++++++++!!!!

alabama runner wrote:Margaret Wambui is XY female, so she has XY chromosomes but her phenotype is that of a woman. She female in every regard except for chromosomes, and that condition causes the normal female testosterone production to heighten

eh ?

what is this rubbish ?

what

XY crap ???

impress board with her genotype ???

ezby wrote:

You are wrong. Semenya was not "confused" by DOCTORS (South Africa has real doctors. And probably a better healthcare system than the US). She is NOT a man. She is a female with internal unformed testes that make her produce more testosterone than other females. She is still more female than male.

A guy who calls himself a female is not a physiological female.

Rotich the Rotich wrote:

Can anyone give me any reasonable evidence that the top 4 guys in that 400 aren't doping?

I'd like to believe in Van Niekerk and Makwala, but they're both too suspicious, especially seeing how much "talent" their countries have suddenly been producing.

Shout out to those of you who cry dope simply because somebody runs fast. Please post a list of the fastest allowable time for each event, men's and women's. That way we can just disqualify each athlete who exceeds the limit.

Who is Ellish McGlogan of Great Britain in the 3K?

Is that the same sprinter Kelly White that busted for drugs?