Official 2019 Dubai Marathon Discussion Thread

No chance Chepngetich is clean. 2:17:01 only 11 weeks after her 2:18? I’m not buying it.

Never go full retard wrote:

Would have been over 2:04 otherwise. wrote:

Short course, like neighbouring Abu Dhabi, has to do with when they measure the course as temperature, dew point, etc has an effect in that part of the world, it affects the measuring equipment, suggest you research how the courses are measured, what with and when.

So any marathon in hot weather is short, thats what you are saying..... Just stop typing ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKG-kbKeIo

Haha, who's the retard?, you got sucked in.

Anyway, just to be pedantic and continue the fun, if it were true it would be the conditions when the marathon was measured, not "any marathon in hot weather" .

Again, who's the retard?

How much faster wrote:

Tommy2Nuttz wrote:

Serious queston: Does Chepngetich even have a coach?? How can you possibly be this utterly incompetent about grabbing a water bottle?

Painful to watch.

Wonder how much faster she would have gone otherwise.

Am thinking she lost about 4 seconds at each of those drink tables she struggled with (4 or 5 of them?), so maybe 20 seconds at most there. But perhaps the bigger impact on her finish time was just all the disruption in her rhythm as well as any 'energy' she wasted in worrying about each approaching table. I know any tension is a form of energy suck. If she's to approach Radcliffe's record, it's an area she'll have to clean up. She looked fairly fresh after that 2:17 and has been heavily raced as of late. I imagine she could give the record a run in the next few years.

Never go full retard wrote:

Would have been over 2:04 otherwise. wrote:

Short course, like neighbouring Abu Dhabi, has to do with when they measure the course as temperature, dew point, etc has an effect in that part of the world, it affects the measuring equipment, suggest you research how the courses are measured, what with and when.

So any marathon in hot weather is short, thats what you are saying..... Just stop typing ...

Idiot.

There are correction factors for calibrating courses based on temperature:

The post by famed coach Canova is likely the best post ever submitted on LetsRun.

Yet subsequent posts are just some back and forth between a couple of losers calling each other names. Amazing.

Thank you coach for taking the time to post with your insight and knowledge.

Yeah, it was a good post from RC, but the idiot posts do lighten and brighten the day sometimes and they can be funny.

fantastic race, time wise. interesting now to see if any of the top 5 men or women, bar the winning woman, can back it up in their next run

Really? Please express your views on the impact of Vaporflys (even if they are that they have 0% effect) rather than spinning a yarn that a sudden uniform change in mentality and erm, trying to [i]run faster[/i], has resulted in a wholesale change in Marathon times...

[quote]Renato Canova wrote:

Frank had a PB in 10000m of 27'45"91 (2'46"6 per km) and ran Marathon in Fukuoka (his PB) in 2:10:30 (3'05"54 per km) that means 89.81% of the speed of 10,000m

Sondre had a PB (in 2017) of 27'55" on the road (2'47"5 per km) and won the same marathon of Shorter (Fukuoka) in 2:05:48 (2'58"8 per km) that means 93.68% of the speed of 10,000m./quote]

89.81% Vs 93.68%.

FFS.

how dumb can you be. here an expert comes on and gives us wise insights and you think like an american it must be all 4% or drugs. does anyone not from the great u s of a agree with you?

Of course the Vaporflys can give some advantage, if the biomechanics of the athlete is the one used for studying the architecture of the shoes.

But, if for example an athlete run with very long strides having the impact with the ground with the full sole, for these athletes (Bekele docet) these shoes don't give any advantage, increasing the tension of the hamstrings.

If you look at the list of athletes running under 2:05 (something that was the top 10 years ago), at the moment 52, how many did use Vaporflys ? Did Wilson Kipsang, Dennis Kimetto, Geoffrey Mutai, use Vaporflys ? And when Eliud won Berlin in 2:04 with the internal sole of the shoe going outside the shoe itself , did he use Vaporflys (before they were studied) ?

I'm sure we can have, in some case, some advantage running with Vaporfly, but the higher advantage is for average people, who can modify their kind of impact with the ground, running like "downhill" for all the race.

Forget top athletes can have big advantages, there are too many factors composing a great performance.

But, if you are an amateur and want to have a real advantage, Vaporflys are absolutely the best option.

Aussiestatman wrote:

how dumb can you be. here an expert comes on and gives us wise insights and you think like an american it must be all 4% or drugs. does anyone not from the great u s of a agree with you?

Sorry but that's an absurd and unnecessary post to make. Coach Canova specifically went out of his way to make an interesting, if verbose, point that the improvement in Marathon times we are seeing may be as a result of higher sustained aerobic efforts than runners would have attempted previously. AND he said we should maybe consider that rather than doping as a potential reason for the time improvements.

However he did not mention Nike's technology aides and their (if any) place in the discussion. I thought that was remiss not to do so (especially on these boards!), was interested in his opinion, so called it out. Nothing dumb about that. To accept blindly and to call other people out who don't is what I'd call "dumb".

Thank you for your reply and opinions on the Vaporfly.

I think I probably agree with your assessment at the very top end, and with the strike pattern you mentioned. It does worry me though re the performance of these "second tier", previously unheralded, athletes perhaps coming into that 2:05 - 2:10 area. I wonder what percentage of these guys are running in these shoes and how that group is growing.

Lets just say you could have worded it better, such as:

"Renato, you didn't mention shoes, what effect do you think the modern Nike technology aides runners and their improvement in times."

You're welcome.

Just wow... wrote:

Really? Please express your views on the impact of Vaporflys (even if they are that they have 0% effect) rather than spinning a yarn that a sudden uniform change in mentality and erm, trying to [i]run faster, has resulted in a wholesale change in Marathon times...

in this reply to him it didnt sound much like you explained it to me

and dumb is going along with the majority view on here that doping is the reason that ALL the rift valley athletes dominate marathon running.

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