London: this guy won the 50-54 age group

Smoove, I'm replying to you because you're one of the best posters on here.

The thing that a lot of people are saying, but perhaps not clearly enough is that it's not the guy's marathon time that is surprising; it's his physique. He has the very clear look of a doper, and to look like that while doing marathon training pushes it to nearly a sure thing.

Here's where the running comes in though: the best argument against him being a doper is to say "well, maybe he has really good genetics for being jacked. Maybe his brother was a bodybuilder and his son is a professional rugby player. This guy could be an huge outlier in the musculature department."

But we know that in fact he's a huge outlier in running speed. So he would have to have exceptional genetics both for marathon running, and for body-building. Even considering them independent factors, but and even more so since they tend to negatively correlate, it's just absurd.

Again, it's not that an extremely talented runner couldn't run that fast while being that jacked; it's that an extremely talented runner couldn't become that jacked at all.

I was hoping when I first saw this thread to be able to make the opposite post, but unfortunately the evidence is very clear. This is a step down from EPO being found in his coach's hotel room.

From a purely ethical standpoint, a firefighter (or soldier) has the ultimate self-justification for crossing into PEDs: "altruism". They can tell themselves that by being stronger and more fit, as well as remaining fully recovered and capable 24/7 (thanks to drugs), they are better able to do their job, support their co-workers and save lives. I's like a blank check for cheating, from a psychological angle.

nonsequitur wrote:

+1

In 1979, he had the world record in the 1500 as a 14 year old.

http://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sport/16117441.Graham_Green_and_son_Ben_are_world_record_holders_again/

This does not look like the same guy compared to the photo up thread with his son. Not only is the musclarity completely off but the facial features are very different if you look close enough. As they say in the UK; this is very weird mate. ?

It looks just like him, and both he and his son look excessively ripped - muscles too tight etc.

I'm not gonna call a guy doper based on some pics, that seems a joke, but those pics generate a lot of skepticism.

The young guy up the thread is an Australian personal trainer who has recently found running. He's standing with his buddy Gary (who resembles GG very slightly) at the end of the Melbourne marathon.

The picture in the OP where he has heavy musculature is from 2016 (I think from a brief scan of his results, might be wrong). The guy has said he's trimmed down since then.

I choose to find this guy an inspiration.

I'm not Sam. wrote:

ok now wrote:

Sure, a fitness trainer on T that would be totally shocking.

He doesn't look anything like the UK fella though:

https://marathonandultrarunning.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/melbourne-marathon.jpg

Yes, but neither the 'skinny, no muscle' marathon archetype either.

In a 'running' photos, both of them would to have more bulky quads than in standing mode...that is just the deception that the muscle definition gives at that particular instant of contraction.

And as for "ok now", your assertion that fitness trainers must be on T is stupid...

AverageForLetsrun wrote:

The young guy up the thread is an Australian personal trainer who has recently found running. He's standing with his buddy Gary (who resembles GG very slightly) at the end of the Melbourne marathon.

The picture in the OP where he has heavy musculature is from 2016 (I think from a brief scan of his results, might be wrong). The guy has said he's trimmed down since then.

I choose to find this guy an inspiration.

Actually the other way around...Gary (on left at Melbourne Mara) is the former PT, now a gun coach and runner. Awesome, inspirational guy too, and with his ethics would not even be on caffeine :-)

Hey...if Arnold can get ripped at age 70 then most of us middle-agers should be able to. Now if Arnold would only run a marathon he'd be the total package. ?

https://youtu.be/oVb5TPL5KuQ

...and yes, as a 60+ myself, these guys are inspiring to me, especially as I need to re-motivate myself, knowing that I am 20% slower than in my 30's

Thanks for clearing that up.

Also, just to clarify that the point of my post was not to drag anyone else into it/start a debate about the Aussie guy. Some posters must have just skim read and thought that the photo of Gary plus the other dude was GG and his son.

Anyone slower than I am is a loser and more than likely a fat slob on the fast track to heart failure. Anyone faster or more ripped than I am is clearly a cheating scoundrel with raisins for testicles. End of story.

I Am Sam wrote:

...and yes, as a 60+ myself, these guys are inspiring to me, especially as I need to re-motivate myself, knowing that I am 20% slower than in my 30's

That's all? I'm near 30% slower than my 30s...hence my user name. ?

AverageForLetsrun wrote:

Thanks for clearing that up.

Also, just to clarify that the point of my post was not to drag anyone else into it/start a debate about the Aussie guy. Some posters must have just skim read and thought that the photo of Gary plus the other dude was GG and his son.

Yeah, I got you, thanks.

To be honest, most don't read at all, just intent on 'knocking'. ;-)

For all the haters...slowly now...there are two sets of photos, the first from the Guardian article is GG and son, the second is from Melbourne Marathon of Gary and another younger dude.

I know Gary is an awesome person/runner/coach...I assume that GG is the same

Be inspired

I Am Sam wrote:

AverageForLetsrun wrote:

Thanks for clearing that up.

Also, just to clarify that the point of my post was not to drag anyone else into it/start a debate about the Aussie guy. Some posters must have just skim read and thought that the photo of Gary plus the other dude was GG and his son.

Yeah, I got you, thanks.

To be honest, most don't read at all, just intent on 'knocking'. ;-)

For all the haters...slowly now...there are two sets of photos, the first from the Guardian article is GG and son, the second is from Melbourne Marathon of Gary and another younger dude.

I know Gary is an awesome person/runner/coach...I assume that GG is the same

Be inspired

Roger that. ?

Old Slow Stiff wrote:

I Am Sam wrote:

...and yes, as a 60+ myself, these guys are inspiring to me, especially as I need to re-motivate myself, knowing that I am 20% slower than in my 30's

That's all? I'm near 30% slower than my 30s...hence my user name. ?

All relative, I feel old, slow and stiff too most days.

These guys can either make you envious or inspire you. Bloke in our club is 61 and ran a 34 min 10k last year!! Only running since 50 yo

and John Shaw took up running to lose weight at 59, by 63 he ran a world age best 2:45:23 marathon

Graham is clean. He isn't nearly as big in real life as he appears in these photos.

He trains hard, and his diet is careful. Last few months it's chicken, veg and salad.

He has been a name in the uk for a long time as is his older brother. Who is/was better.

He is a genuine nice bloke, and is a motivational speaker type. What you read on his blogs, he is like that in person.

He also got involved in ergo rowing competitions before coming back to running, maybe this is where he got his need for muscles.

Graham is clean wrote:

Graham is clean. He isn't nearly as big in real life as he appears in these photos.

He trains hard, and his diet is careful. Last few months it's chicken, veg and salad.

He has been a name in the uk for a long time as is his older brother. Who is/was better.

He is a genuine nice bloke, and is a motivational speaker type. What you read on his blogs, he is like that in person.

He also got involved in ergo rowing competitions before coming back to running, maybe this is where he got his need for muscles.

Good Morning, Graham!

Graham is clean wrote:

Graham is clean. He isn't nearly as big in real life as he appears in these photos.

He trains hard, and his diet is careful. Last few months it's chicken, veg and salad.

He has been a name in the uk for a long time as is his older brother. Who is/was better.

He is a genuine nice bloke, and is a motivational speaker type. What you read on his blogs, he is like that in person.

He also got involved in ergo rowing competitions before coming back to running, maybe this is where he got his need for muscles.

He's on HGH and dianabol. Try again.

GG is on the juice wrote:

Graham is clean wrote:

Graham is clean. He isn't nearly as big in real life as he appears in these photos.

He trains hard, and his diet is careful. Last few months it's chicken, veg and salad.

He has been a name in the uk for a long time as is his older brother. Who is/was better.

He is a genuine nice bloke, and is a motivational speaker type. What you read on his blogs, he is like that in person.

He also got involved in ergo rowing competitions before coming back to running, maybe this is where he got his need for muscles.

He's on HGH and dianabol. Try again.

This website is sad.