We've closed this thread to new posts. Please discuss this topic in a new thread given the fact she just won the race outright in 2023. Does that mean that the 2022 cheating allegations definitely have no merit?
I've run about 5 ultras and none longer than 50 miles. Please explain to me how doping would help someone racing a 135 mile ultra like Badwater? Sure you could train harder and recover faster but she was running 10 minute miles. Longer ultras like this are 100% mental
You're asking how doping helps endurance athletes? Are you joking?
I think that when this story first started, her result seemed very suspect, but if she posted the data, and if the data looks fine at face-value, then this thread needs to be deleted, and she should be permanently left alone.
I don’t wanna hear any more whiny bullsh1t about how Garmin data can be altered, and it’s definitely a bad look for this site to continue to allow it.
I love Badwater, but man it's gotta be the easiest race ever to cheat because of the life support vehicle and crew. If there are several miles between runners? Why not hop on your life support vehicle, whose going to ever know?
I think that when this story first started, her result seemed very suspect, but if she posted the data, and if the data looks fine at face-value, then this thread needs to be deleted, and she should be permanently left alone.
I don’t wanna hear any more whiny bullsh1t about how Garmin data can be altered, and it’s definitely a bad look for this site to continue to allow it.
Can you expand on this? Does the data look good at "face value?"
The distance between where the first recording ends and the second section begins is close to 1.5 miles (I made it to be about 1.52), as Ashley states.
The duration of the first recording is 19 hours 52 minutes and 33 seconds.
The second recording is for 4 hours 6 minutes and 48 seconds.
However, Ashley says she did not stop the Garmin until "a few minutes" after the race. In this case, "a few minutes" is 7 minutes and 4 seconds. At 3 hours and 59 minutes and 44 seconds, her pace drops to zero - the finish line. Using that figure yields 23 hours 52 minutes and 17 seconds of recorded running.
Her time to finish was 24 hours 9 minutes and 34 seconds.
So time not recorded is 17 minutes 17 seconds. Over 1.5 miles, that is about 11:30 mile pace for the missing section. This pace is consistent with recorded paces before and after the unrecorded section.
It was while she ran that portion that her Garmin which was "about to die" recharged. I am not sure 17 minutes would be enough time to re-charge a near-drained Garmin to last another 4+ hours, though?
This Garmin data seems to show that if there were course irregularities, it was not with the unrecorded section.
BUT, both Garmin recordings show "Summary Data: Edited".
A Quora response explaining this states " 'Edited' is normally only shown if you have been into the edit mode and changed some data..."
If so, edited Garmin data is not reliable - and begs the question why it was edited.
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Derek did an article about her! What I find fascinating is that he points out how her watch says 131 miles yet she uploaded her watch and it somehow shows 135 miles. How is that possible?
BUT, both Garmin recordings show "Summary Data: Edited".
A Quora response explaining this states " 'Edited' is normally only shown if you have been into the edit mode and changed some data..."
If so, edited Garmin data is not reliable - and begs the question why it was edited.
You are yet another Derek apologist who distort evidence to fit your need to continue to harrass the innocent like Ashley. I already posted on the previous page why Garmin Connect shows "Summary Data: Edited":
"This is the reason why people like Derek and the posters in this thread should not be given the watch data because it's obvious that Derek and you lot will just make up conspiracy theories and continue to endlessly harrass Ashley to yet again try to make her lose her jobs like Derek tries to do with Latoya. Do a simple Google search and it will publicly show that Garmin Connect shows "Summary Data: Edited" for lots of simple innocuous things like changing the share permission on the activity or even having elevation corrections on...
If you had objectivity, you lost it. Please stick to facts.
I never mentioned Derek, have not apologised for him, have not harassed " innocent Ashley Paulson", let alone "continuously" or "endlessly".
Basic math and logic are not "distorting evidence" or "making up conspiracy theories".
Much of my post supports Ashley's claims. And I did not state the posted Garmin logs were edited. I stated that if they were, they would not be reliable.
Would you agree one explanation for Garmin data showing "Edited" is because data was edited?
While I did not mention the photo of the Garmin showing "131", you did - and you suggest it could be something other than (recorded) mileage (at finish). Do you have anything to show it was not mileage?
sorry if this is posted but why couldn’t the twin wear the Garmin device
of the race participant?
Indeed she could. Ashley weirdly brought that up in her "defense," so presumably that means that can't be what she's accused of, right?
Someone would need to see them switch watches.
I see Derek said switching watches was unlikely, Again, the whole crew is under this "speculation" , it would be interesting to know how they feel about that. I think on of them is her significant other.
Instead of quoting Garmin links showing the "Edited" can be for something as common as changing the activity to public to share like she did to Instagram, instead you looked for hard to find Quora threads that say the data was altered.
And I'm not the one that posted the photo and made assumptions about the watch showing 131 miles, that's entirely on Derek and his ridiculously erroneous assumptions. I'm not going to either way parade an exact value or even what type of value is showing from highly grainy, pixelated photo. You have got to be stupid if you use such an unreadable image as evidence. I only stated to the other ignorant poster quoting from Derek that it is entirely plausible for a watch to show other values. Unlike you and Derek, I don't assume Ashley is guilty without evidence whereas you and Derek just assume Ashley cheated and distort evidence to match.
"You just walked back your insinuations that Ashley doctored her watch data."
Did not walk anything back. I clarified what you misunderstood.
"you looked for hard to find Quora threads"
I attributed one quote to a Quora poster. Singular. You could not know whether "looked hard". I did not.
[skipping over rant insulting others]
"you... just assume Ashley cheated and distort evidence"
I stated no position on whether Ashley cheated. The closest I came was twice noting that the GPS log supports her claims. I have not "distorted evidence". Mathematical computations were made using data which Ashley posted.
You are not supporting Ashley's cause by insulting and smearing anyone who asks questions.
I am sure you would agree Ashley has nothing to hide - so unbiased examination of facts should be the best way to put the issue to rest.
Instead of quoting Garmin links showing the "Edited" can be for something as common as changing the activity to public to share like she did to Instagram, instead you looked for hard to find Quora threads that say the data was altered.
And I'm not the one that posted the photo and made assumptions about the watch showing 131 miles, that's entirely on Derek and his ridiculously erroneous assumptions. I'm not going to either way parade an exact value or even what type of value is showing from highly grainy, pixelated photo. You have got to be stupid if you use such an unreadable image as evidence. I only stated to the other ignorant poster quoting from Derek that it is entirely plausible for a watch to show other values. Unlike you and Derek, I don't assume Ashley is guilty without evidence whereas you and Derek just assume Ashley cheated and distort evidence to match.
"You just walked back your insinuations that Ashley doctored her watch data."
Did not walk anything back. I clarified what you misunderstood.
"you looked for hard to find Quora threads"
I attributed one quote to a Quora poster. Singular. You could not know whether "looked hard". I did not.
[skipping over rant insulting others]
"you... just assume Ashley cheated and distort evidence"
I stated no position on whether Ashley cheated. The closest I came was twice noting that the GPS log supports her claims. I have not "distorted evidence". Mathematical computations were made using data which Ashley posted.
You are not supporting Ashley's cause by insulting and smearing anyone who asks questions.
I am sure you would agree Ashley has nothing to hide - so unbiased examination of facts should be the best way to put the issue to rest.
Keeping walking back to Quora land. You insinuated she doctored the watch data just like how I wrote on the previous page that posters would create conspiracy theories even after Ashley released it and she should have never released it for that exact reason.
If you have nothing to hide either, why don't you post your web browsing history for the past week to a public file that we can all see to check what you searched up about Ashley and Garmin watches?
More incredibly, she ran the last 13 miles faster than nearly any male in history. Faster than Scott Jurek, Harvey Lewis, Mike Morton, Pete Kostelnik and more. Only Jorge Paheco and Oswaldo Lopez have run this section faster. For the final 4 miles, only Oswaldo has ever recorded a faster split than Ashley."
Huh.
Ashley looks suspiciously fresh in that video taken at Stovepipe Wells.
More incredibly, she ran the last 13 miles faster than nearly any male in history. Faster than Scott Jurek, Harvey Lewis, Mike Morton, Pete Kostelnik and more. Only Jorge Paheco and Oswaldo Lopez have run this section faster. For the final 4 miles, only Oswaldo has ever recorded a faster split than Ashley."
Huh.
Ashley looks suspiciously fresh in that video taken at Stovepipe Wells.
Totally fishy.
Keep digging, guys.
I'm just here for the popcorn, but that was the biggest red flag, IMHO.
She is crazy fresh, bouncing around, cracking jokes. She's less winded than the course workers...
