Fauble, Hall, Huddle, Sisson, Ward - what happened?

Rupp's PR is almost two minutes faster than the closest competition and has tons of big marathon experience. I would expect him to qualify although I was skeptical that he would win after what happened in Chicago. I was surprised to see him toy with the field the way he did.

For the rest, it's hard to have your best day at every marathon. I was surprised to see so many favorites just utterly crash and burn but I think the tough course really did some damage. Once you start having a tough time, all those hills will mentally wear you down.

Although for the flat course that the Olympic marathon is supposed to be (if it happens), maybe this Trials course was not the best fit. The Atlanta course is not a time trial course and a different type of runner will succeed on the Atlanta course vs. the Sapporo course.

Regardless, impressive runs by all those that finished in the top 3 and near it. Doesn't seem like the Nike super shoes helped out the female runners that much but the men were all Nike.

sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:

Although for the flat course that the Olympic marathon is supposed to be (if it happens), maybe this Trials course was not the best fit. The Atlanta course is not a time trial course and a different type of runner will succeed on the Atlanta course vs. the Sapporo course.

Regardless, impressive runs by all those that finished in the top 3 and near it. Doesn't seem like the Nike super shoes helped out the female runners that much but the men were all Nike.

1) PLEASE, STOP thinking that the shoes are an advantage. There have been NUMEROUS fantastic/record performances by other shoes recently despite being worn by only maybe 5-10% of all pro runners. As long as a shoe is lightweight and comfortable, the better athlete and engine is what matters. Only 5-10% of LRC get this, most still post about the shoes every single day and further increase Nikes revenue by free word by mouth advertising and making people believe they are better.

2) Yes, Atlanta was extremely hilly which caused a lot of upsets. If there is any marathon to compare this one to in the last years, it's Boston with the extreme weather conditions. This race had similar upsets. Obviously, a runner like Rupp that's on heavy thyroid meds and LIGHT as paper has a massive advantage going up the hills, it's like they don't exist for him whereas they take a lot of power and strength out of runners with a higher BMI. Higher BMI runners got a slight advantage on downhills, but a 2% advantage won't overcome a 8% loss (time, strength and future leg fatigue from going up) going up the hills.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

2) Yes, Atlanta was extremely hilly which caused a lot of upsets. If there is any marathon to compare this one to in the last years, it's Boston with the extreme weather conditions. This race had similar upsets. Obviously, a runner like Rupp that's on heavy thyroid meds and LIGHT as paper has a massive advantage going up the hills, it's like they don't exist for him whereas they take a lot of power and strength out of runners with a higher BMI. Higher BMI runners got a slight advantage on downhills, but a 2% advantage won't overcome a 8% loss (time, strength and future leg fatigue from going up) going up the hills.

Riley isn’t a tiny guy.

Doping NOPers wrote:

Oh Please wrote:

SOmeone posted an interview earlier today with Rupp. He says in a nutshell that reason he thinks he is the best is because he has the best work ethic and discipline, and I believe it.

I still believe that he is true and clean. He works harder and does exactly what his coaches say.

NOPe. In a nutshell he has been on the best dope since he was a little kid. He never misses a dose and takes exactly what his coaches give him.

False, and you just can't handle it.

Late Runner Phil you need to clam it. You are taking over every other thread with blanket accusations of which you actually know nothing about. You are very tiresome.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

This was not a regular marathon course, it was EXTREMELY hilly. If you don't train every week multiple times on hills, you are at a massive disadvantage, also if you have the wrong body type for hills (being tall, like 185+ for men or 170+ for women, not the case for mentioned runners tho).

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Lmao what female elite runner is 170+???

oldmanstillrunning wrote:

Ward and one of his training partners, Connor McMillan, ran exactly the same mile splits throughout the race according to USATF results. They finished 26th and 27th in 2:15:55. I'm guessing Ward knew early it wasn't going t be his day and decided to just stay with the recent BYU graduate and try to stay up with him or help him out.

Sounds fishy. Think it was one of those Bib Mule situations?

midpackgirl wrote:

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

This was not a regular marathon course, it was EXTREMELY hilly. If you don't train every week multiple times on hills, you are at a massive disadvantage, also if you have the wrong body type for hills (being tall, like 185+ for men or 170+ for women, not the case for mentioned runners tho).

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Lmao what female elite runner is 170+???

Koko 174cm, McColgan 176cm. Don't have examples for the marathon, probably rare, on the male side there are quite a few (Puskedra 193cm, Hartmann 191cm, Tegenkamp 188cm).

It has been proven scientifically that tall guys are worse on hills due to height weight and surface ratio. A taller or heavier runner that trains a lot on hills can still beat a smaller guy who only trains on flats. Someone here mentioned Riley - guy trained in Boulder for a very long time, and you can bet lots of his training is on hills.

This turned into a Rupp thread. GOOD.

The dude is one of the most clutch runners we have ever had. Rupp get the job done.

There is no social media, no nothing from him but getting out there and getting it done for more than 12 years now. .[/quote]

So true. In this hyper-digitized age in which grown-axs adults are reliant on Strava and Insta like it's some kind of crack, runners have all the discipline of 7th graders. Get some integrity people.

You get by in this sport when you realize less is more.

midpackgirl wrote:

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

This was not a regular marathon course, it was EXTREMELY hilly. If you don't train every week multiple times on hills, you are at a massive disadvantage, also if you have the wrong body type for hills (being tall, like 185+ for men or 170+ for women, not the case for mentioned runners tho).

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Lmao what female elite runner is 170+???

I think he means 1.70m (5' 7") tall, not 170 lbs,

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

midpackgirl wrote:

Lmao what female elite runner is 170+???

Koko 174cm, McColgan 176cm. Don't have examples for the marathon, probably rare, on the male side there are quite a few (Puskedra 193cm, Hartmann 191cm, Tegenkamp 188cm).

It has been proven scientifically that tall guys are worse on hills due to height weight and surface ratio. A taller or heavier runner that trains a lot on hills can still beat a smaller guy who only trains on flats. Someone here mentioned Riley - guy trained in Boulder for a very long time, and you can bet lots of his training is on hills.

LOL. I thought he was talking about weight too. As being a mostly U.S. site, most of us think in feet and inches, or total inches, not centimeters.

The height/weight argument on hills is nonsense. Rupp is tall, Riley is bigger than the average elite, Abdi definitely is not short. Tuliamuk is not rail thin and Kipyego is taller than the average female distance runner.

Doping NOPers wrote:

Oh Please wrote:

SOmeone posted an interview earlier today with Rupp. He says in a nutshell that reason he thinks he is the best is because he has the best work ethic and discipline, and I believe it.

I still believe that he is true and clean. He works harder and does exactly what his coaches say.

NOPe. In a nutshell he has been on the best dope since he was a little kid. He never misses a dose and takes exactly what his coaches give him.

I call libel on your post.

Huddle was limping, could clearly see she wasn't right early on. Hall was working way too hard from 5 miles on, i knew neither of my picks had a chance.

My third Kellen Taylor ran a solid race, Steph Bruce will be disappointed she finished like a train, another mile and she could well have caught Kipyego.

Mens race depressing with the Alphafly dominating.

Doping NOPers wrote:

informational wrote:

Every honest and intelligent person knows that this is utterly true.

And without evidence you are in libel territory.

The hills, lack of familiarity and you have to factor the wind. It was windy and that has an affect on some people. As mentioned towards the end of the broadcast, with the Olympic course now being flat what does it mean for 5 of the 6 runners representing the US? We’ll never know because the Olympics will be cancelled.

Earlyboy wrote:

Huddle was limping, could clearly see she wasn't right early on. Hall was working way too hard from 5 miles on, i knew neither of my picks had a chance.

My third Kellen Taylor ran a solid race, Steph Bruce will be disappointed she finished like a train, another mile and she could well have caught Kipyego.

Mens race depressing with the Alphafly dominating.

I went home devastated with my picks. Got a total of 1 out of 6 qualifiers. Lenny Korir and Des Linden almost came through for me but no dice. Sisson and Hall teased me for awhile and Ward just never was in it.

Kellyn Taylor is a great runner but I think her peak might have been that Grandma's marathon she ran a couple years back. Her 2:24 was aided by a tailwind that day and she hasn't been able to duplicate that performance. That's simply why I couldn't pick her.

I had a hunch that one of the male runner off the big 4 would sneak in there for a spot but Abdi AND Riley was unexpected. I thought Jerrell Mock would have a good day and continue his rapid improvement. Nope.

The women's race was bonkers. I'm sure some people had Kipyego in there, but if anybody had both Seidel and Tuliamuk, I would be shocked. Nothing indicated that those two would battle it out for the win unless you knew they were both doubling down on hill training for months.

Laterunner phil needs to get his head out of the sand. I thought the shoes were a farce at first because of the sub 2 pacing and blocking the wind. After a couple years, I am totally convinced the shoes are worth at least a couple minutes for a marathon or 4 to 5 seconds per mile.

The reality now is that a lot of companies have similar shoes but we don't know if they are as good yet.