post nups wrote:
Letsrun doesn't like outspoken women who dream big. Simple as that.
Right. Nobody ever has any criticism for men that do the same.
I don't get the hate either. It takes courage and maturity to admit things aren't going right and to change course after aiming big. I guess that's why so many here won't understand it and are willing to get their shots in.
post nups wrote:
Letsrun doesn't like outspoken women who dream big. Simple as that.
Not this time. I get that's what you want it to be, but her gender is not relevant. Anyone who made the ridiculous claim she made would have been subject to ridicule. There's dreaming big and then there is being delusional, caused largely by an inflated ego and insufferable personality. The real difference is, if you had a guy who's ego was making him talk that sh*t, nobody would try to defend him by saying people are just picking on him because of his gender.
Moral of this story, if you are going to make bold claims, back them up. Gwen couldn't and rational people knew she couldn't.
I was actually anticipating a switch back to Triathlon.
This is what we call a win-win.
1) It's total Vindication for LetsRun. I know Jonathan Gault, Steve Soprano and myself got some flak for saying she had a zero percent change of Olympic gold in the marathon.
2) The track trials are much more interesting now.
2017 article where steve and Jonthan said she had zero percent chance:
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/11/big-debate-gwen-jorgensen-moves-marathon-will/
2018 MB thread where I said it:
Oh Please wrote:
I was actually anticipating a switch back to Triathlon.
Why? She quit because it was too time consuming and it's likely too late to achieve the rank needed to qualify for 2020. A switch back seemed unfeasible until after 2020 at least.
she was disrespectful to the event and dismissive to all the world class athletes who compete at the top level. it was a stupid, presumptuous, and hollow thing to say. and she said it for attention. like a child. but she isn’t a child, she is an adult.
there are a ton of women marathoners better and much better than her, that don’t feel the need to publicly document their sub-elite training on YT, and announce to the world, their dream of winning Olympic Gold, like a bullsh*t artist. no sh*t Gwen, everybody wants to win Olympic Gold! this is assumed.
the reaction to her had nothing to do with her personally, and everything do with her ignorance.
“I’m a big star, and I don’t need a swim or a bike!”
(Thank you, Miss Ross.)
{You know, like the Supremes.}
The whole world wrote:
Idgaf
+1
Well stated.
I also posted it on here a couple of weeks ago. I am glad she finally listened to us, but it would have been better to have started with track from the outset after her 15.15
Gwen doesn't want the levels
this is so lame wrote:
post nups wrote:
Letsrun doesn't like outspoken women who dream big. Simple as that.
Not this time. I get that's what you want it to be, but her gender is not relevant. Anyone who made the ridiculous claim she made would have been subject to ridicule. There's dreaming big and then there is being delusional, caused largely by an inflated ego and insufferable personality. The real difference is, if you had a guy who's ego was making him talk that sh*t, nobody would try to defend him by saying people are just picking on him because of his gender.
Moral of this story, if you are going to make bold claims, back them up. Gwen couldn't and rational people knew she couldn't.
Name an outspoken woman who dreams big that isn't crucified on here.
You just want Gwen to set her goals lower and shut up.
Mo and Gwen are your 10000 champs in Tokyo. Take it to the bank. Or not.
Hardloper wrote:
Oh Please wrote:
I was actually anticipating a switch back to Triathlon.
Why? She quit because it was too time consuming and it's likely too late to achieve the rank needed to qualify for 2020. A switch back seemed unfeasible until after 2020 at least.
The "Why" of it is because she's the defending champion, still rides her bike (from instagram pictures), and it's clear after Chicago she wasn't even going to make the team. I'm no expert on USA Triathlon though, so I have no idea of what the qualification system is.
zcxvcvxz wrote:
I said this last year and probably said it when she announced for the marathon as well because it was clear to everyone but her:
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RE: Gwen Jorgensen 2:36:23 - where does she go from here? 10/9/2018 9:22PM - in reply to Clerk
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While she may still figure out the marathon distance, she is built for the 1500m and has so far run best at the 5000m.
10000m may be too far. That 15:15 was very solid for brief training with BTC. Go all the way in on the 1500m/5000m or even steeple, given her height. If she has no speed, then 15's out, of course. But it's the track if she wants to make the Olympic team, and if she wants gold, it's back to the Tri. I give her an A+ for moving from the absolute pinnacle of the triathlon, a very lucrative sport for her, to the marathon for the challenge but the writing's on the wall here.
Pretty much everybody on this board has been saying she should run the 5000m or shorter ever since she ran really well indoors.
Jorgensen should play her scandinavian heritage and get another citizenship. In Norway she would probably be the best 5k runner after Grovdal
trigaotdkj wrote:
Mo and Gwen are your 10000 champs in Tokyo. Take it to the bank. Or not.
Even if Gwen makes the 10000m in the Olympics, it's likely she'll get lapped by Ayana, Gidey, Hassan etc. The gap in talent on the world stage is that distinct. Running sub 31 would be huge for Gwen but when you have someone like Gidey running a 29:11 or whatever that ridiculous split was in the middle of a road 15k well.... the numbers speak for themselves.
I think it would be very entertaining if Tuohy qualifies for the trials 5000m and races against Gwen. I'd love to see that race.
Her 15:15 Places her at 17th fastest american. She obviously has some talent over the shorter distance, the problem is you're competing against Schweizer, Infeld, Hall, Schneider, Rowbury, and Houlihan. I think her best bet is if Rowbury and Houlihan only take 1500m spots, Sisson and Huddle qualify in the marathon, and she can lower her PR too around 15 flat
Jo72 wrote:
Jorgensen should play her scandinavian heritage and get another citizenship. In Norway she would probably be the best 5k runner after Grovdal
Don't forget Ingrid Ingebrigtsen.
imbeingian wrote:
Her 15:15 Places her at 17th fastest american. She obviously has some talent over the shorter distance, the problem is you're competing against Schweizer, Infeld, Hall, Schneider, Rowbury, and Houlihan. I think her best bet is if Rowbury and Houlihan only take 1500m spots, Sisson and Huddle qualify in the marathon, and she can lower her PR too around 15 flat
Do not be surprised when the 10k field is loaded. Why wouldn't Sisson and Huddle come back and throw their hats in the 10k? They definitely have bonuses built into their contracts for US titles on top of the prize money they get for placing at the OT's.
The 1500 is stacked to the point where sub 4:00 runners are dodging the 1500 and moving up to the 5k. The 5k is loaded with a bunch of women in the sub 15:10 category and probably not a high chance of being able to close in a tactical 5k and making a team which leaves them the 10k.
With all this being said, I don't see how she places higher than 8th unless there's a big jump in times.
Possible 10k trials entrants depending on Marathon Trials outcome:
Molly Huddle (M)
Jessica Tonn
Gwen Jorgensen
Sarah Pagano
Marielle Hall
Chelsea Blaase
Carrie Dimoff (M)
Karissa Schweizer
Stephanie Bruce (M)
Emily Sisson (M)
Amy Cragg (M)
Kim Conley
Elaina Tabb
Allie Ostrander
Kellyn Johnson
Emma Bates (M)
Des Davila (M)
Sally Kipyego (M)
Aliphine Tuliamuk (M)
Laura Thweatt (M)
Sara Hall (M)
Looks like even qualifying will be tough.