NOAH MF LYLES 19.50!!!!

TC represent! Alexandria in the MF house!

Yeah Quinonez has been emerging this year, along with seemingly more Cubans over the past maybe 2 years.

19.87 is not devastating, so for my 2 cents proven guys like ADG still have the edge, even Guliyev. But he is one to watch, for sure.

The other question is...Gatlin. Given how he finished at Pre, he is likely 19.7 right now, as he knows how to run a 200. Will probably skip the 200 though, proving he’s not 22 anymore?

What a 200m final the USA’s would have, with these guys:

Lyles

Gatlin

Coleman

Norman

19.44 wrote:

...don't forget Yohan Blake's 19.44 at the Olympics. Kudos to Lyles though, sick time and performance regardless. It is the 5th fastest time in history.

Blake has a doping violation. What were you saying about 19.44 again?

Armstronglivs wrote:

19.44 wrote:

...don't forget Yohan Blake's 19.44 at the Olympics. Kudos to Lyles though, sick time and performance regardless. It is the 5th fastest time in history.

Blake has a doping violation. What were you saying about 19.44 again?

He just accidentally consumed some tainted meat in burritos in Mexico, like will claye did.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

What a 200m final the USA’s would have, with these guys:

Lyles

Gatlin

Coleman

Norman

One of the dirtiest finals that would be. Four truly chemically enhanced athletes with Gatlin leading the way.

Joefoster wrote:

Sprintgeezer wrote:

What a 200m final the USA’s would have, with these guys:

Lyles

Gatlin

Coleman

Norman

One of the dirtiest finals that would be. Four truly chemically enhanced athletes with Gatlin leading the way.

As sad as hilarious.

Notsure wrote:

I’m honestly not sure if that’s a better performance than Coleman’s 100 at Stanford. All day that Stanford track seemed slow as hell, and he ripped a 9.80 or something.

These guys are both legit all time greats. And I tend to think they are clean.

Yeah its better. It's 4th all time.

And it looked like a strength run. Middle of training type thing.

Owl075 wrote:

Anyone here knowledgeable enough to summarize lyles stack? Obviously the guy is very gifted but so are all his competitors. What about Norman? What are these guys using, that has allowed them to get close to world record territory?

Definitely some drug made by Western scientists. Probably a dirty American cheating doctor.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

What a 200m final the USA’s would have, with these guys:

Lyles

Gatlin

Coleman

Norman

I doubt Gatlin is doubling. Has Norman said if he'll double?

Another doped up brash American

Jokerster wrote:

Vince Vaughn wrote:

Gotta be at least, as clean as Bolt!

It’s laughable how “clean” some of these athletes are. The drugs are getting better, and harder to detect. Of course, politically lyles is probably protected too. Anyone here venture to say Gatlin is off the sauce?

I am going to assume you are joking.

Look at Lyles' and Coleman's career progression and tell me when they starting doping. And, I have a greater belief Gatlin is clean than any athlete in track and field. Perhaps one day Gatlin will explain WADA's scrutiny and the lengths investigators & reporters have gone through to fine even the appearance of impropriety. Gatlin would have to be a super slick MF to be doping. In spite of what you here on this board, it's not easy to dope as a U.S. athlete. It is possible, but it's not easy and very risky. There are certainly athletes who dope, but don't just throw that accusation out without cause...that's not fair to the athletes.

crumpet wrote:

Notsure wrote:

I’m honestly not sure if that’s a better performance than Coleman’s 100 at Stanford. All day that Stanford track seemed slow as hell, and he ripped a 9.80 or something.

These guys are both legit all time greats. And I tend to think they are clean.

Yeah its better. It's 4th all time.

And it looked like a strength run. Middle of training type thing.

My point was: since Stanford was apparently so slow (look at the women’s hundred, the 110 hurdles, etc. ), I believed that the 9.80 would have been close to 9.7 or better on a fast track, putting him in the all time top 4.

Rupp fan wrote:

Noah Lyles runs 19.50 into a headwind. This generates 4 posts so far despite the letsrun staff practically begging us to check this story out on the front page. Meanwhile, the various Frank Meza threads generate hundreds of posts even with heavy moderation.

Today, this site is full of letsrun degenerates blaming the letsrun staff for everything that is wrong with the site. But here's the thing... hundreds of posts vs. 4 posts. It's time for the letsrun degenerates to point their fingers in the direction of the nearest mirror.

People were already commenting on this in the diamond league thread, you just missed that.

You also underestimate people's anger at LRC.

Excellent analysis! Grant and Roberts do figure to be gold medal contenders in the 110mHH. I'd rather see the U.S. not use Gatlin in the relay, keeping in mind the possibility of future doping dq's of individuals in the relays. He's a 37 year old running 9.87 in a race where he shut it down before the end. It would be shooting us in the foot to keep Lyles out of the 4x1 regardless of what he runs at Trials, because he would make a winning anchor leg, I am sure, with the haphazard start partially negated. I would probably put Coleman on the start, Lyles at the end, Holloway on the 2nd curve and not sure about the fourth (obviously, that will actually be Gatlin). Brazier/Murphy/Hoppel make three good shots at finalists with two medal contenders, and to have an actual gold medal contender in Brazier is the first time in a long, long time. It helps that Emmanuel Korir is struggling a bit right now and that Saruni hasn't shown up yet.

Gatlin has literally been caught doping twice (the first time may have been inadvertent, but the second certainly was not), you'd have to be beyond obtuse to believe that he's cleaner than anyone else in the sport. When you're putting up world class times into your late 30s and you're a known cheater, you don't get the benefit of the doubt anymore.

Lyles could be clean though, obviously anyone that fast is suspicious, but nothing about his progression raises any particular red flags. Either way, he's fun as hell to watch.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

What a 200m final the USA’s would have, with these guys:

Lyles

Gatlin

Coleman

Norman

At 37, Gatlin would be compromised the most. I doubt he would break 20

Age is a Bytch wrote:

Sprintgeezer wrote:

What a 200m final the USA’s would have, with these guys:

Lyles

Gatlin

Coleman

Norman

At 37, Gatlin would be compromised the most. I doubt he would break 20

I think I agree, especially considering the competition schedule at nationals. I do however think that he is still capable of a 1-off 19.7

Ok maybe 19.8?

zcvxzvcx wrote:

We could be looking at gold for Coleman in the 100m, gold for Lyles in the 200m, gold for Norman in the 400m, gold for Benjamin in the 400mH (if eligible), and gold for the U.S. at 4x1 with Coleman and Lyles, and gold for the U.S. at 4x4 with Lyles (I really think with his 200 closing speed he could run a sub 44 split easily), Benjamin (if eligible), and Norman, plus Fred or Kahmari. We are back in the sprints.

No way we win the 4x1. At least one of our guys will step on his pecker, blow a hand-off, and sink us. Just like always.